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  • Folding a set of Jacks on the turn?

    Hi Just wondering if you have any thoughts on how best to play this hand? This is a zoom table and is the first time I have come across this player. Pre flop I did think about 3 betting, but didnt want to play a big pot out of position, and thought I might be able to trap him. On the flop I checked to the raiser to allow him to bet so I could check raise him. he then calls and the 3rd heart and 3rd broadway card hits I decided to check and maybe call a small bet, but he bets $3 into a $4 pot with only another $5 left, so I think my implied odds are not good even if I do hit a full house. I was never going to call his turn bet, I was only folding or pushing allin. At this stage I have only invested $2 into the pot but stand to lose another $8 if he has a flush or the broadway straight so I decided to fold, Thanks for your time and thoughts

  • #2
    This might be a good fold, but I'm not making it. My money is all in on the flop.

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    • #3
      Hi chuckkky,

      I don't like folding here. You mention implied odds for drawing to a full house, but that assumes you're drawing, and I think we are still ahead a great deal of the time here. Legit hands the villain may play this way that we're behind:

      AT (the broadway, really he called our check-raise with just a gut shot?? possible I guess)
      AhQh (he didn't raise again with top/top+nut flush draw?? possible I guess)
      AhXh (he didn't raise again with a draw, ok this is possible)
      QQ (he didn't raise again with the nuts on a super wet board??)
      KK (this is possible)
      T9 (possible, but a very small part of his range)

      Hands he might play this way we're ahead of.

      AhXo (especially if X=K, Q, J)
      AA (with or without a heart)
      AK (without a heart, the check-raise size is small enough that he might peel once with 2 overs+)
      AQ (without a heart)
      KQ
      KJ (maybe)
      KT
      QT
      JT (maybe, he called our check-raise with 2nd pair??)

      And then of course there's some % of spazz factor where he's got something else we're beating. It may not be a large % but it's something.

      All things considered, we're ahead too much to fold here imo, and we still do have outs obviously when we're behind. I think calling is a valid option, but it's harder to play out of position and we'll have to check-fold to another scary card on the river. So I'm probably still committing and getting it in on the turn.

      Dave
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      • #4
        Originally posted by joy7108 View Post
        This might be a good fold, but I'm not making it. My money is all in on the flop.

        Hi Joy,
        I would of happily get all my chips in the middle on the flop too.
        My flop check raise prob was a bit small, but would you ship $10 into a $1.50 pot?
        Chuckkky

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        • #5
          Originally posted by TheLangolier View Post
          Hi chuckkky,

          I don't like folding here. You mention implied odds for drawing to a full house, but that assumes you're drawing, and I think we are still ahead a great deal of the time here. Legit hands the villain may play this way that we're behind:

          AT (the broadway, really he called our check-raise with just a gut shot?? possible I guess)
          AhQh (he didn't raise again with top/top+nut flush draw?? possible I guess)
          AhXh (he didn't raise again with a draw, ok this is possible)
          QQ (he didn't raise again with the nuts on a super wet board??)
          KK (this is possible)
          T9 (possible, but a very small part of his range)

          Hands he might play this way we're ahead of.

          AhXo (especially if X=K, Q, J)
          AA (with or without a heart)
          AK (without a heart, the check-raise size is small enough that he might peel once with 2 overs+)
          AQ (without a heart)
          KQ
          KJ (maybe)
          KT
          QT
          JT (maybe, he called our check-raise with 2nd pair??)

          And then of course there's some % of spazz factor where he's got something else we're beating. It may not be a large % but it's something.

          All things considered, we're ahead too much to fold here imo, and we still do have outs obviously when we're behind. I think calling is a valid option, but it's harder to play out of position and we'll have to check-fold to another scary card on the river. So I'm probably still committing and getting it in on the turn.

          Dave


          Thanks Dave,

          It did take me a long time to fold, I have been trying to work on not payin them off when I am beat,
          If I had back all the $ that Ive paid off with My bankroll would be a lot lot bigger.
          This Is one of those spots were If I fold I think I was bluffed, Or I call and lose most of the time.

          Thanks for your time
          chuckkky

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          • #6
            It's not $10 into a 1.50 pot, and sorry, my answer was more suited to a tourney (which is what I usually play). That being said, I never folding the set here, I'm more than likely against a pair of queens with a good kicker.

            I haven't played a lot of cash games, so take my advice with a grain of salt.

            Bracelet Winner


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