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2nl 6max AKo in 3Bet multiway pot

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  • 2nl 6max AKo in 3Bet multiway pot

    all three players have less than 15 hands worth of history but so far the stats are all +50 vpip and low on PFR
    Sorry, this hand was deleted by its owner
    err help please! my brain just sort of farts and dies here and i really have no clue how to continue all coments and advice would be greatly welcomed!

  • #2
    Hi pokerpants!

    Pre flop I like 3betting AKo vs a short stack min raiser who is as wide as you say. Your AK will tend to play better versus fewer opponents, and I am pretty certain I'd be ready to paly for stacks vs this shortie if he happens to 4bet shove. The amount you choose was good too, as if only the min raiser calls, you set up a good SPR to get your chips in at some point on a top/top hand if you hit, and folding 16c isn't brutal if you miss and he donk leads.

    I especially like the larger 16c 3bet sizing you choose if it was made because you suspect you might get multiple callers, all of whom are quite wide. By raising larger you create an SPR around 3 against the largest stack, and I think I'd be ready to play for stacks agaisnt anyone in the hand if I flop top/top.

    When the flop comes and you do hit top/top on a board with a flush draw present, these are my thoughts:

    - You really cannot flat top/top here, as that may led to a variety of potential suck outs.
    ...If you are ahead, a lot of cards could come that kill your action if you flat as well.
    ...If you are behind, all flatting will do is stick you even further into a hugely bloated pot.

    - You really cannot continence a FOLD of top/top, as the action is not hugely strong, and smacks of draws and/or weaker aces with your range info.

    - You really cannot raise a smallish amount without committing yourself pretty strongly.

    So altogether, I think this adds up to a situation where you might be beat by a 2 pair hand or a set, but given the size of the pot so be it if that is the case...

    I just put 'em in here and let the chips fall where they will.

    Hope it helps.

    -JDean
    Double Bracelet Winner

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    • #3
      thanx fwiw i shoved 2 callers BB 55 and MP had 22 i feel better knowing that i made the right call

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      • #4
        I wouldnt say shoving is the best play here, but a 0.90$ raise is better and if someone comes over the top you are commited and should call.
        Because with shoving you only give your opponents two options, and by practically moving allin your opponents can still go allin and think you might fold or they just go allin with a draw, rather than calling an allin.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Sjekkkk View Post
          I wouldnt say shoving is the best play here, but a 0.90$ raise is better and if someone comes over the top you are commited and should call.
          Because with shoving you only give your opponents two options, and by practically moving allin your opponents can still go allin and think you might fold or they just go allin with a draw, rather than calling an allin.
          What happens Sjekkkk when a 3rd spade hits the turn, and the guy who donk led the flop jams his remaining 40c or so in (yes, there are people at 1c/2c who will call 90c here!), and the $1.94 stack ($1.20 after he too flats your 90c raise) then mucks AJ (or the 22 he actually had) because he hasn't got a spade?

          Answer: you just lost $1.20 that might have potentially offset the loss if the guy donk leading has you beat.

          Simple fact in my opinion is that the SPR going to the flop versus ANY of these stacks individually was very low. In multi-way pots your SPR needs to be a lot lower to be willing to stack off on a top/top hand, but with the worst SPR being ~3.2, we have the low SPR we'd like to see...

          If these guys are this station-y, make them pay the max to hit their chases, and if they out flopped top/top, so be it!
          Last edited by JDean; Fri Apr 27, 2012, 12:40 AM.
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          • #6
            Shoving is fine.

            If we make it .90c and someone actually calls rather than shoves, we will put the rest of the money in on any turn card without a 2nd thought. A 3rd spade doesn't matter, it won't scare anyone off since there's not much money left to bet anyway, and if they make a flush it likely didn't change anything (if they call a big raise that's not a shove, they'd probably call a shove). And we have the king of spades to redraw to as well.

            I don't really like the .90c as much as shoving, it looks too strong imo. Shoving actually looks a bit weaker to me as people might do this with moderate aces or draws, and I think we'll get called off by any ace either way, but like JD said there are scary looking turn cards that opponents holding hands like AdTd may not put the rest in with on the turn, but they'll put it in on the flop, so since we're committed anyway here just get the monies in imo.
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