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  • 3,3 in bb vs cutoff

    Given that I don't have any reads on the opp did I play the hand ok and was that the right move on the turn? Cheers.

  • #2
    Nice hand dedeyez, thanks for posting it...

    I like the way you played it here.

    Pre flop, if you have a good "no set/no bet" situation to get involved in with an effective stack above $6 to give you implied odds to set mine after calling a 25c raise. This is not a hand that will give you very hard oop decisions at all (like calling with a T9s for instance), your when the flop comes your decisions will be pretty clear a lot of the time...

    When you flop your set, your options are quite open, and only folding or making a huge exploitative over bet are not options.

    - You could slow play your set on what stands to be a dry board vs a pre flop raiser in hopes of building a larger pot later on.

    - You could donk lead a standard amount on your minimal info in hopes he will put you on a loose call that flopped some sort of draw.

    You elect to lead 40c into a 75c pot, or just over half pot. That gets value in immediately for you, when there is the best chance an unknown opp might call on a wide range containing both draws and made hands, so this is perfectly fine without reads which might tip you in a different direction for best value extraction.

    Villain calls, so he has expressed interest in the pot.

    The turn comes a virtual blank to a pre flop raiser's most likely range, so after he has expressed interest in the pot, you have no reason NOT to bet again. You do, leading for $1 into the $1.55 pot.

    Your sizing choice sets up an easy committment decision for you if the villain shoves, and it also is well within an expected "standard" (at about 2/3rds pot) to get called by lesser hands.

    Could you bet less to be more inviting? Yeah...repeating a half pot bet would be more inviting.

    Do you have info that tells you a 2nd half pot barrel would be BETTER? Nope, probably not.

    That means your action is fine in my opinion.

    When the villain min raises you, you jam.

    Going into the turn, your SPR was under 4, which means you should certainly be ready to commit your stack if raised. You have $4.90 left behind, and after the villain min raises you, jamming here in laying him a price of 2.57 to 1 to call.

    This means he is not folding any over pair to your jam, he is probably not folding any top pair hand, and he may even find reason to call on a straight draw which picked up flush draw outs too (15 outs with 1 to come needs only about a 2 to 1 price with 1 street to break even) .

    The hands that beat you: 88/66/45 are such a tiny part of his possible range, and the likelihood that his actions indicate he is ready to stack off now are so present, that you really should not wait very often at all in my opinion.

    If he wakes up with something that beats you, so be it. And if he folds because he min raised just for info on where he stood, so be it...the pot is already pretty decently sized for you anyway.

    All your decisions were solid, and that is what matters.

    Hope it helps.

    -JDean
    Last edited by JDean; Sat Jan 07, 2012, 01:21 AM.
    Double Bracelet Winner

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    • #3
      Originally posted by JDean View Post
      The hands that beat you: 88/66/45 are such a tiny part of his possible range, and the likelihood that his actions indicate he is ready to stack off now are so present, that you really should not wait very often at all in my opinion.
      -JDean
      Thanks Dave, your comments much appreciated as always. On those tiny percentages when the opp does have 88/66/45, it should not affect our decision making process unless we have a very strong read that the opp is making play exactly with that range, right??? I suppose every now and then we are going to end up in those situations and if that is the case, well you can't do much about it.

      Cheers.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by deadeyz View Post
        Thanks Dave, your comments much appreciated as always. On those tiny percentages when the opp does have 88/66/45, it should not affect our decision making process unless we have a very strong read that the opp is making play exactly with that range, right??? I suppose every now and then we are going to end up in those situations and if that is the case, well you can't do much about it.

        Cheers.
        Exactly...

        if you enter to set mine, and flop a set, it is very hard to live in fear of monsters under the bed and still play solid poker.

        But...

        if you have a read that tells you the villain will ONLY follow this line with a true monster (a very rare read indeed), you can take a different line. Maybe not one that causes you to fold a ton of the time (a set is uist too powerful to continence THAT if a set is what you continued for), but at least it might be possible to adopt a pot control line to possibly help minimize loss.

        You do not have that info here though, so all your actions are quite reasonable in a wide range of circumstances...that makes the actions just fine, no matter the result.

        Think of it like this:

        Guy in the 1 seat jams 20 pots in a row.
        The few times he is called, he shows down total cheese, but because he is sitting on a horseshoe this night, he keeps sucking out.

        You decide to fold SMALL amounts, like your blinds, until you are sure to have a big edge versus a random range.
        While you are waiting, he continues to shove EVERY hand.

        Finally, you catch QQ!
        You know that this is the hand you were waiting for, as QQ has 75%+ equity versus a truly random range.

        You SNAP CALL!
        Villain rolls over AA, and you crash and burn a stack...

        Is that a bad decision by you?
        HECK NO!

        Every step yopu took to counter a wild player was perfectly reasonable, and when you decided QQ was "enough", you know there is a chance the villain has better. But you might have to wait 200 or more hands to catch AA yourself, and he might leave the table before you ever get the shot. 75%+ equity versus a range is aobut as good as it normally gets pre flop in hold 'm, so no matter the actual result, passing up that sort of edge to double up would be the mistake...

        ...same goes for your hand here.

        If villain wakes up with a tiny part of his range that beats you, so be it.

        Say Good hand, and move on.

        Double Bracelet Winner

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