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  • 10NL QQ 3 bet pot gross turn

    No reads on villain. Only been at the table for 16 hands.

    Preflop and flop is standard.

    Turn - is a weird one cos it's a great card to bluff if he's drawing to the flush

    River - flush misses and I want to puke

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (5 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    SB ($10.86)
    Hero (BB) ($10)
    UTG ($6.76)
    MP ($10)
    Button ($10.17)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with Q, Q
    3 folds, SB bets $0.30, Hero raises to $1.10, SB calls $0.80

    Flop: ($2.20) 10, 4, 5 (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $1.30, SB calls $1.30

    Turn: ($4.80) 10 (2 players)
    SB bets $1.50, Hero calls $1.50

    River: ($7.80) 6 (2 players)
    SB bets $6.96 (All-In), Hero ????

  • #2
    Interesting spot.

    Normally big river bets are for value (without reads that's a good assumption), but in this case the guy's line doesn't really look like a ten... his turn bet size looks like a blocker and sets up almost a pot sized river shove if he misses which is tough for you to call with your entire range. There's probably enough bluffs here that you can call, but it's pretty close.

    Our preflop action set up a stack to pot ratio of 4 and I think we should be willing to commit on the flop, the key to this hand is to evaluate the changes that occur on the turn. If we just call we may well face the river shove and have induced a bluff, it's a reasonable line to take for us, so given that we were committed on the flop and have no solid info to indicate we're beat, I think we should call.

    He'll have us sometimes (even though his line doesn't make much sense for a ten, if he's a bad player he'll do things that make no sense all the time). But I think he's going to show up with enough bluffs and poorly designed value bets by worse (JJ/99 for example) that I'd call.
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    • #3
      there are many hands in the opp's range here, but the two that I'd put them on, if I had to narrow it down to two... could easily be A5s or A4 diamonds.

      They could have a 10, but if they're going to lead out on the turn (hitting trips), then why wouldn't they lead out on the flop? An opp with a 10, I'd think would normally lead the flop, then check the turn.

      If it were me, I'm calling the river and cringing as I do it.
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      • #4
        Thanks for the input guys

        In the end I folded river.

        I had no info on the guy, he typed AA??? into the chat box while I tanked.

        If we have no reads or info on the guy do we just assume incompetence until shown otherwise at microstakes?

        SPR is something I need to look into in more depth I think

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        • #5
          don't go by chat. they'll lie to you and say anything to try and tilt you.

          If it's 2NL, unless an opp showed me something to say they're a better player, then I'll assume they're on the lower end. At 5NL, I saw more players that had a clue, so at 10NL, I'd think more opponents would be better (was playing mostly limit and 2NL, 5NL once, before black friday).
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