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  • omfg what did i do wrong to deserve this

    what did i do wrong? this is the premier after 1,5 hour. player al play carefull and less showdowns to make notes out. so not much of a read here, but should i have shoved???

  • #2
    Looks fine to me. I would either minraise or raise about 3x preflop though to set up a better pot size. You either want a bigger pot so you can shove the flop and get called wide or a smaller pot so you can check/raise all in. Depends if the BB is aggressive or passive. And you should have a read on that unless you're new to the table! If he's passive, check/raising is probably not the best strategy. But if he's aggressive then a small raise preflop might get attacked, as might checking the flop. Your raise leaves you with a stack about 1.7x the size of the pot if called, and I'd prefer to have closer to a potsize bet or more than two of them depending on the plan I have.

    Also, you only have 11 BBs so shipping it preflop is definitely an option.

    As it was you got called by a much worse hand, so nothing to complain about there.
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    • #3
      Yup, you shoulda shoved

      When is the question...

      You do NOT want to shove to "get him to fold", you only want to be shoving because you think he will CALL that, and it ensures you get more value into the pot for you.

      You are not going to get AA very often at all, so when you DO get it you want to get paid something.

      As long as you recognize that ANY pre-flop raise commits you on your stack size here, and as long as you jam ANY flop, you will hold the best hand often enough on the flop to make the "risk" of allowing that extra 400 to get into the pot by raising "standard" to be worth quite a bit to you.

      But by playing it as you did, being extremely "encouraging" for an opponent to stick around, you DO increase our risk of being sucked out on. The low fequency of you getting AA, and the value of that 400 extra you stand to make more often than not acting as you did, makes the additional risk of your play line perfectly acceptable, and probably BETTER than jamming pre-flop.

      Sometimes poker happens.
      Last edited by JDean; Fri Oct 14, 2011, 11:09 PM.
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      • #4
        Oh I also forgot to mention the option of limping against an aggressive player. If you limp in from the SB an aggressive player in the BB will raise with a very wide range preflop, and even if they do check pre, if you check the flop they are almost certain to make a bet which you can then shove over with what is now an excellent check/raise stack.

        Here's an example of an aggressive BB jamming over a SB limp

        Seat 9: oriholic (7597.50 in chips) - Big Blind
        Seat 7: pokerlink1 (2500.00 in chips) - The button
        Seat 8: hoslert56 (7615.00 in chips) - Small Blind
        Seat 5: santito (11575.00 in chips)
        Seat 6: TwistedJay (14181.06 in chips)
        Seat 4: tom thumb (5686.71 in chips)
        Seat 1: ssur9 (9344.73 in chips)
        hoslert56: posts small blind 400.00
        oriholic: posts big blind 800.00
        *** HOLE CARDS ***
        Dealt to oriholic [Ks 10s]
        ssur9: folds
        tom thumb: folds
        santito: folds
        TwistedJay: folds
        pokerlink1: folds
        hoslert56: calls 400.00
        oriholic: raises 6797.50 to 7597.50 and is all in
        hoslert56 said "
        fag"
        hoslert56: folds
        Uncalled bet (6797.50) returned to oriholic
        oriholic shows Ks 10s
        Last edited by oriholic; Sat Oct 15, 2011, 12:11 AM.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by oriholic View Post
          Oh I also forgot to mention the option of limping against an aggressive player. If you limp in from the SB an aggressive player in the BB will raise with a very wide range preflop, and even if they do check pre, if you check the flop they are almost certain to make a bet which you can then shove over with what is now an excellent check/raise stack.

          Here's an example of an aggressive BB jamming over a SB limp

          Seat 9: oriholic (7597.50 in chips) - Big Blind
          Seat 7: pokerlink1 (2500.00 in chips) - The button
          Seat 8: hoslert56 (7615.00 in chips) - Small Blind
          Seat 5: santito (11575.00 in chips)
          Seat 6: TwistedJay (14181.06 in chips)
          Seat 4: tom thumb (5686.71 in chips)
          Seat 1: ssur9 (9344.73 in chips)
          hoslert56: posts small blind 400.00
          oriholic: posts big blind 800.00
          *** HOLE CARDS ***
          Dealt to oriholic [Ks 10s]
          ssur9: folds
          tom thumb: folds
          santito: folds
          TwistedJay: folds
          pokerlink1: folds
          hoslert56: calls 400.00
          oriholic: raises 6797.50 to 7597.50 and is all in
          hoslert56 said "
          fag"
          hoslert56: folds
          Uncalled bet (6797.50) returned to oriholic
          oriholic shows Ks 10s
          Point is, no matter what, he is going to try getting it in on the flop at the latest...
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          • #6
            Can someone explain this to me? I can't quite visualise it...

            oriholic: raises 6797.50 to 7597.50 and is all in

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Maj. D Zastr View Post
              Can someone explain this to me? I can't quite visualise it...

              oriholic: raises 6797.50 to 7597.50 and is all in
              He has 800 in the BB, raises 6797.50 to 7597.50 and is all in.
              800 +
              6797.50
              7597.50

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              • #8
                Bear with me, I'm just a bit thick sometimes.
                I guess I just don't understand the syntax.
                We got:
                hoslert56: posts small blind 400.00
                oriholic: posts big blind 800.00
                hoslert56: calls 400.00

                So the pot is 1600, right?
                There's no mention of antes, but even with those, it would make some 600 or so more.

                oriholic: raises 6797.50 to 7597.50 and is all in

                So why isn't it "raises 1600 to 7597.50"?

                Ah. I've just answered myself
                Nothing like writing it down, is there?

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                • #9
                  So the pot is 1600, right?
                  There's no mention of antes, but even with those, it would make some 600 or so more.
                  The size of the pot is irrelevant to determining the amount that has been raised. Also, there are no antes on that site.

                  So why isn't it "raises 1600 to 7597.50"?
                  The raise is the amount between the former bet amount and the new bet amount. Since the original bet was 800 a raise to 7597.50 is a raise by (7597.50-800=6797.50)

                  It gets it right here, but the site usually does call for instance an open raise to say 1800 as a "raises 1800 to 1800", when it really is only a raise of 1000 more than the original bet.
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