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Is it ok to fold QQ at flop on K high flop?

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  • Is it ok to fold QQ at flop on K high flop?

    [converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #10725472 BB: $27.49 (110 bb) UTG: $26 (104 bb) MP: $25 (100 bb) CO: $10 (40 bb) Hero (BTN): $32.29 (129.2 bb) SB: $41.06 (164.2 bb) Preflop: Hero is BTN with Q:spade: Q:diamond: CO posts BB OOP, UTG folds, MP raises to $0.75, CO calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2.25, 2 folds, MP raises to $5.50, CO folds, Hero calls $3.25 Flop: ($12.10) 8:spade: K:club: 8:diamond: (2 players) MP bets $5.75, Hero folds Results: $12.10 pot ($0.60 rake) Final Board: 8:spade: K:club: 8:diamond: MP mucked and won $11.50 ($6 net) Hero mucked Q:spade: Q:diamond: and lost (-$5.50 net) [/hand_history]
    [/replayer][/converted_hand] When villian 4 bets me pre flop, i am putting him on AA, KK or AKs... Is that pretty decent, considering i am only play 15/15 at this table over last 142 hands and he still 4 bets me. So basically by calling the 4 bet, i am set mining myself or hoping to pick up some decent draws. What do you think if this is good fold or not? Also, the C bet on flop percentage for villian is only 20% over 234 hands... So if he c bets strong with worrying about the K, it has to be AA or AK or KK

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    Don't really have much reads but got some stats over last 250 hands or so
    22/16 with 6.1 3-bet% and fold to 3-bet only 17% and 4 bet is 17%

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    • #3
      Definately it is ok to fold QQ here.

      The pre flop 3bet is just fine, as is the flat of the 4bet.

      A lot of a 4bettor's range is going to have QQ in trouble with a K on the flop, as pre-flop he has narrowed what he may hold considerably. When he follows up with a slightly less than half pot bet on the flop, you gotta be really worried he spiked that K (with an AK), or held a pp bigger than yours all along.

      With the pot at $17+, your only options are to move all in or fold here, and that K is scary enough that moving in is probably not winning you enough in the long run to run the risk of slamming head long into AK or AA.

      There is a chance he out-played you with JJ/TT or some such, but I'd think that is a small enough chance you really don't need to sweat it. at least you kept $25 you can use to punish the table in clearer spots later on...
      Last edited by JDean; Tue Sep 27, 2011, 02:27 PM.
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      • #4
        You can definitely fold QQ here. It's much better to lose $5.50, than to lose your whole stack. I also agree with the hands that the opp should have basically crush QQ (AA, KK, AK).

        Same situation if you have KK and an A hits... the opp will normally have AK or outside chance at AQ... both of which will beat KK.
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        • #5
          I would definitely fold as he re-raised you preflop and then raised again on the flop with the higher card out there.You probably saved some cash.I'd call it a good read,but i'm no pro.Best of luck in the future.

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          • #6
            +1. If his 4B range is KK+ and AK then you are now beat by 100% of his range on this flop.
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