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    ***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** (Poker Stars)
    $50.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, May 13, 10:42:50 ET 2011
    Table Sisyphus III (Real Money)
    Seat 5 is the button
    Seat 1: Player1 ( $51.55 USD ) - VPIP: 15, PFR: 12, 3B: 10, AF: 9.0, Hands: 130
    Seat 2: Player2 ( $61.10 USD ) - VPIP: 37, PFR: 3, 3B: 0, AF: 8.0, Hands: 30
    Seat 3: Player3 ( $66.15 USD ) - VPIP: 19, PFR: 19, 3B: 0, AF: 6.0, Hands: 32
    Seat 4: Player4 ( $49.35 USD ) - VPIP: 26, PFR: 17, 3B: 0, AF: 0.6, Hands: 47
    Seat 5: Hero ( $57.00 USD ) - VPIP: 25, PFR: 20, 3B: 7, AF: 4.5, Hands: 10368
    Seat 6: Player6 ( $56.35 USD ) - VPIP: 10, PFR: 9, 3B: 5, AF: 3.4, Hands: 377
    Seat 7: Player7 ( $50.00 USD ) - VPIP: 15, PFR: 13, 3B: 6, AF: 1.4, Hands: 154
    Player6 posts small blind [$0.25 USD].
    Player7 posts big blind [$0.50 USD].
    ** Dealing down cards **
    Dealt to Hero [ 7d 7h ]
    Player1 raises [$1.50 USD]
    Player2 folds
    Player3 folds
    Player4 folds
    Hero calls [$1.50 USD]
    Player6 raises [$6.25 USD]
    Player7 folds
    Player1 folds
    Hero calls [$5.00 USD]
    ** Dealing Flop ** [ 4h, 2d, 8s ]
    Player6 bets [$9.00 USD]
    Hero calls [$9.00 USD]
    ** Dealing Turn ** [ Kd ]
    Player6 checks
    Hero bets [$15.70 USD]
    Player6 raises [$40.85 USD]
    Hero calls [$25.15 USD]
    ** Dealing River ** [ Ad ]

    Would love to know what you think is the best play when he check/raises on the turn?

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    Last edited by PlsDntBlffMe; Mon Apr 16, 2012, 08:34 PM.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by mohitmadaan View Post
      ***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** (Poker Stars)
      $50.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, May 13, 10:42:50 ET 2011
      Table Sisyphus III (Real Money)
      Seat 5 is the button
      Seat 1: Player1 ( $51.55 USD ) - VPIP: 15, PFR: 12, 3B: 10, AF: 9.0, Hands: 130
      Seat 2: Player2 ( $61.10 USD ) - VPIP: 37, PFR: 3, 3B: 0, AF: 8.0, Hands: 30
      Seat 3: Player3 ( $66.15 USD ) - VPIP: 19, PFR: 19, 3B: 0, AF: 6.0, Hands: 32
      Seat 4: Player4 ( $49.35 USD ) - VPIP: 26, PFR: 17, 3B: 0, AF: 0.6, Hands: 47
      Seat 5: Hero ( $57.00 USD ) - VPIP: 25, PFR: 20, 3B: 7, AF: 4.5, Hands: 10368
      Seat 6: Player6 ( $56.35 USD ) - VPIP: 10, PFR: 9, 3B: 5, AF: 3.4, Hands: 377
      Seat 7: Player7 ( $50.00 USD ) - VPIP: 15, PFR: 13, 3B: 6, AF: 1.4, Hands: 154
      Player6 posts small blind [$0.25 USD].
      Player7 posts big blind [$0.50 USD].
      ** Dealing down cards **
      Dealt to Hero [ 7d 7h ]
      Player1 raises [$1.50 USD]
      Player2 folds
      Player3 folds
      Player4 folds
      Hero calls [$1.50 USD]
      Player6 raises [$6.25 USD]
      Player7 folds
      Player1 folds
      Hero calls [$5.00 USD]
      ** Dealing Flop ** [ 4h, 2d, 8s ]
      Player6 bets [$9.00 USD]
      Hero calls [$9.00 USD]
      ** Dealing Turn ** [ Kd ]
      Player6 checks
      Hero bets [$15.70 USD]
      Player6 raises [$40.85 USD]
      Hero calls [$25.15 USD]
      ** Dealing River ** [ Ad ]

      Would love to know what you think is the best play when he check/raises on the turn?
      check out this link:
      http://www.thepokerbank.com/strategy/theorems/baluga/

      Small sample size on the data, but this looks to be a pretty nitty opponent.

      I can see calling the $5 pre-flop raise to set mine on this depth of money; if he is a super nit, he will probably have enough to pay off a set if you flop one. Really though, when a player this nitty re-pops, mightn't you have thought about making a small 4bet to define your hand a bit more, and to get some chips in immediately in case you do flop your set?

      Doing that right up front would have probably induced a much bigger pp to jam, and it would also have given pause to hands liek AJ/AQ/99 which might think you are on a button steal. He is nearly as frequent a 3bettor as are you, so there is a decent chance he is doing so on air at least some of the time...

      Anyway, that isn't your question here...

      To be 100% honest, unless you know a lot more than you are likely to know after 377 hands on this player (unless those were all this session!), leading the turn behind his check is really risky. It puts about 1/2 your stack in with 2 overs on board, and makes folding VERY hard.

      Realistically though, "saving" half of $57 is a lot better than losing it trying to make a "hero call". The time for you to be trying to take this one down was pre-flop, or on the flop, when there was a lot less of a chance the board had hit him.

      I'd say let it go, and try to recover on later hands...
      Double Bracelet Winner

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      • #4
        I like the call on the flop, though a raise might be better, and I like the bet on the turn. You should be betting as a bluff here to try and make hands like 8x (though this one should be fairly rare for a nit), 99-QQ fold. This is the kind of float you might make with AK or KQ suited. When he raises I think you should give up the bluff. Unless he has a hand like AQ diamonds he probably has you beat, and a lot of flush draws have really good equity against you as well. Definitely folding when he check-raises the turn. At best you're barely ahead of a flush draw with some high cards like AQ/AJ/QJ, and the rest of the time you're way behind a higher pair or even drawing dead against a set of kings. If you had a flush draw you could consider continuing, but you're probably drawing to 2 or zero outs here. Must fold.
        4 Time Bracelet Winner


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        • #5
          I like the call preflop and the call on the flop isn't bad, but with no broadway cards on the flop, I'd have considered making a raise there.

          The bet on the turn I like... but their raise on the turn combined with the raise preflop and what looks to be a float on the flop.... screams AK to me and I'd muck the hand there.

          If I'm right and they had AK, you may have been able to take it down if you'd have raised on the flop.. and I think that's the only way you'd be able to win the hand.
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          6 Time Bracelet Winner


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          • #6
            Amazing analasis

            Originally posted by JWK24 View Post
            I like the call preflop and the call on the flop isn't bad, but with no broadway cards on the flop, I'd have considered making a raise there.

            The bet on the turn I like... but their raise on the turn combined with the raise preflop and what looks to be a float on the flop.... screams AK to me and I'd muck the hand there.

            If I'm right and they had AK, you may have been able to take it down if you'd have raised on the flop.. and I think that's the only way you'd be able to win the hand.
            You are right, he shows AK and i realize it was bad play by me on turn for sure but i guess we all learn by making these mistakes.

            Thanks everybody, this is the first hand i have ever posted and i feels great to know that i was doing both right and wrong things throughout the hand.


            ** Dealing River ** [ Ad ]
            Player6 shows [Ah, Ks ]
            Player6 wins $111.70 USD from main pot
            Hero doesn't show [7d, 7h ]

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            • #7
              Originally posted by mohitmadaan View Post


              ** Dealing River ** [ Ad ]
              Player6 shows [Ah, Ks ]
              Player6 wins $111.70 USD from main pot
              Hero doesn't show [7d, 7h ]
              Doesn't surprise me one bit. whole hand sniffed of AK/AA or KK tbh...

              You pop him on the flop, you probably win. Ah well.

              You pop him on the flop though, and he holds AA, and you are the one getting stacked.
              That's why poker is so great, ain't it?

              Double Bracelet Winner

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