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  • Good fold?bad fold?

    Early in the tourney,the turn was scarey and the river was scarier,in hindsight,the same players,pushing every hand,and its his first game of month,DOGG GONE
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    *********** # 1 **************
    PokerStars Game #63855310491: Tournament #397948326, Freeroll Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2011/06/28 7:11:22 NZT [2011/06/27 15:11:22 ET]
    Table '397948326 12' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
    Seat 1: malau_moris (1350 in chips)
    Seat 2: Tuff4u (1500 in chips)
    Seat 3: tiggastripe (1790 in chips)
    Seat 4: Mega11os (2850 in chips)
    Seat 5: BARRYDOGG378 (1470 in chips)
    Seat 6: argenariel (1240 in chips)
    Seat 7: bosstery (1880 in chips)
    Seat 8: kretsu76 (1440 in chips)
    Seat 9: bigjock186 (1480 in chips) is sitting out
    bigjock186: posts small blind 15
    malau_moris: posts big blind 30
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to BARRYDOGG378 [Kd Ks]
    Tuff4u has timed out
    Tuff4u: folds
    Tuff4u is sitting out
    tiggastripe: calls 30
    Mega11os: folds
    BARRYDOGG378: raises 90 to 120
    Tuff4u has returned
    argenariel: folds
    bosstery: folds
    kretsu76: folds
    bigjock186: folds
    malau_moris: calls 90
    tiggastripe: calls 90
    *** FLOP *** [6h 7d Tc]
    malau_moris: bets 30
    tiggastripe: calls 30
    BARRYDOGG378: raises 120 to 150
    malau_moris: calls 120
    tiggastripe: folds
    *** TURN *** [6h 7d Tc] [9c]
    malau_moris: checks
    BARRYDOGG378: checks
    *** RIVER *** [6h 7d Tc 9c] [Ah]
    malau_moris: bets 1080 and is all-in
    BARRYDOGG378: folds
    Uncalled bet (1080) returned to malau_moris
    malau_moris collected 705 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 705 | Rake 0
    Board [6h 7d Tc 9c Ah]
    Seat 1: malau_moris (big blind) collected (705)
    Seat 2: Tuff4u folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: tiggastripe folded on the Flop
    Seat 4: Mega11os folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: BARRYDOGG378 folded on the River
    Seat 6: argenariel folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: bosstery folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: kretsu76 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: bigjock186 (small blind) folded before Flop

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    Last edited by BARRYDOGG378; Tue Jun 28, 2011, 11:02 PM. Reason: CAN YOU DELETE THIS POST PLEASE

  • #2
    I'd have raised more preflop, to 200-250. Yes, you raised to 3BB, but with the BB that low, nobody is going to respect a std raise.
    I like the raise on the flop, but you need to follow it up on the turn. You don't want them drawing at something that can beat you... which is exactly what happens on the river with the A. You need to bet at least what you did on the flop, again on the turn. If you fire the next barrel on the turn, you SHOULD get ace/rag to fold... but this early, you never know.

    You absolutely needed to muck with the river shove and did that correctly.

    6 Time Bracelet Winner


    • #3
      I like your preflop raise. Enough to build a pot but not enough that you get committed if the board turns bad.

      I wouldn't be that worried about an ace there on the river. I mean, sure it's possible, but what's he doing with an ace here? A6, A7, AT, A9?

      The flop is pretty scary, even with your overpair. I like your raising on the flop. It's really just a c-bet as you really can't call betting 30 into a 400 chip pot a bet. Raise his goofy min donkbet. I think you should have bet 250 to 300 here but with such a scary board, betting small to keep the pot under control is not bad either.

      I think checking behind on the turn is the best play. There's 4 to a straight on a board that absolutely smashes calling ranges.. Keep the pot small. 67, 86, 87, 88, 89, T9, T8, T7, and even slow-played 66, 77, 88, 99, TT all beat you, all make sense, and are far more likely than an ace.

      Him shoving the ace looks like he's hoping you've stayed in with an ace and will pay off his monster hand. If he actually has an ace here it's a horrible bet (other than A8 LDO although he would have a blocker to you having an ace so maybe not so LDO, haha). I mean really terrible.

      By checking behind on the turn you generally will induce bluffs on the river. You should usually be prepared to call river bluffs. Especially on river aces! The thing is...he's almost never bluffing here and your KK can only beat a bluff. It's unfortunate you lost some chips, but you made the right choice folding KK.
      4 Time Bracelet Winner


      • #4

        TY,for your fine comments,i think i was dead on the turn,but as yous said,i couldnt,check into aye pot of 400,had to see where i was?and once he called,i was behind,slowly i learn,used to be impossible for me to throw KK ,Aand AA,even when i had the feeling they where crushed,DOGG GONE


        • #5
          Originally posted by BARRYDOGG378 View Post
          ,i think i was dead on the turn,but as yous said,i couldnt,check into aye pot of 400,had to see where i was
          No, you really didn't. Checking is the right play. It's pot control, and on a board this scary you need it. That is, unless you want to commit your entire stack with an over pair on a terrifying board. I know I wouldn't.....especially in PSO.
          4 Time Bracelet Winner



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