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  • QQ 4 bet .

    I think I made the correct decision. I figured that if could double now at this stage of the tournament, this would give me a huge advantage later on. What r your suggestions?


    PokerStars Game #61639189367: Tournament #419010492, $10+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (60/120) - 2011/05/03 12:26:23 PT [2011/05/03 15:26:23 ET]
    Table '419010492 376' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
    Seat 1: G_Loc88 (10180 in chips)
    Seat 2: ihaveguts (6100 in chips)
    Seat 3: reevo777 (4605 in chips)
    Seat 4: sanya630827 (4155 in chips)
    Seat 5: lince10 (2725 in chips)
    Seat 6: raisin rohan (4880 in chips)
    Seat 7: valera1976 (4085 in chips)
    Seat 8: andrei17731 (5035 in chips)
    Seat 9: Scrach face (3250 in chips)
    G_Loc88: posts the ante 15
    ihaveguts: posts the ante 15
    reevo777: posts the ante 15
    sanya630827: posts the ante 15
    lince10: posts the ante 15
    raisin rohan: posts the ante 15
    valera1976: posts the ante 15
    andrei17731: posts the ante 15
    Scrach face: posts the ante 15
    andrei17731: posts small blind 60
    Scrach face: posts big blind 120
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to andrei17731 [Qd Qs]
    G_Loc88: folds
    ihaveguts: folds
    reevo777: raises 120 to 240
    sanya630827: folds
    lince10: folds
    raisin rohan: folds
    valera1976: raises 240 to 480
    andrei17731: raises 4540 to 5020 and is all-in
    Scrach face: folds
    reevo777: folds
    valera1976: calls 3590 and is all-in
    Uncalled bet (950) returned to andrei17731
    *** FLOP *** [Kc 6d 5d]
    *** TURN *** [Kc 6d 5d] [3c]
    *** RIVER *** [Kc 6d 5d 3c] [7c]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***

  • #2
    If it was me, instead of re-raising all-in, I'd have done this.....

    I'd have just called their raise. You need to be worried about AA, KK or Ax/ Kx pairing.
    By just calling their raise, it gives you the opportunity to fold and still have plenty of chips if an A or a K hits the board. If I saw 3 unsuited unders on the flop, then I'm making a good size bet on the flop. If I see overs, then you would need to be ready to fold the QQ.

    I agree with you that a double at this stage would set you up well for later on, but you don't want to risk too much doing it... without knowing you have the best hand.
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    • #3
      Reads on villain?
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      • #4
        Originally posted by TheLangolier View Post
        Reads on villain?
        He was sitting next to the hero. umbup:

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        • #5
          Hi Andrei,

          I notice that you are a frequent poster in Hand Analysis and that you are playing quite high buy in games. Are these sitngos or tourneys? There is an important distinction here I feel and you need to post this information so that the evaluators can make an informed analysis.

          This is not meant to be rude but do you not think you are burning money at the moment? I am just saying this because I found myself in a similar position to your own while playing cash games at reasonably high levels and found myself, like you, wondering why I was not winning.

          Maybe it is a good time to pull the reins in and build your game from scratch. if you really enjoy poker that will not be a trial but a voyage of self discovery that will make a lot of your posts and questions unnecessary.

          GL at the tables with whatever you decide,


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          • #6
            , Well, I have a good basic understanding of how to play the tournaments and sng's, I've gone through the sng, MTT course, read a lot online and have taken the quiz and started playing at micro stakes and did pretty good, so I decided to move up, I'm only playing at a max of $11 buy in which isn't that much money to me considering my bank roll and I'm actually not losing money, I'm up a decent amount and finishing in the top 5, been number one twice. My ROI is 8.99. So I think I have a decent grasp. and you're totally right it is better to start from scratch, which i did. The reason I'm asking so many question is, the way I'm playing is what your pokerschool recommends and its working out well, but I would just like to expand my knowledge and what other ways to approach a hand, and what best way to do that, then by asking questions. The hands that I lose and I know it was a mistake I don't post them, this hand was of some interest because it's never happened to me before and I've never 4 bet. The course suggests that in the early phase you can reraise with category 1,2, but here there was a raise and a reraise, so I was little bit lost as to whethar or not I should 4 bet and therefore would have to go all in. If I'm posting too many posts and you find some of them unnecessary, I'll take it down a notch. I'm just thankful, for this opportunity that I'm giving and I'm just trying to use it to the greatest extent.
            Last edited by andrei17731; Wed May 04, 2011, 04:39 AM.

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            • #7
              Thanks for the reply Andrei,

              I am glad that you are doing well and you sure seem to be putting a lot of effort into yr game.

              I don't think yr posts are unnecessary but there is a pattern of only playing the hand and not the player or dynamic/texture of the game which is probably why some of yr threads end up with more questions than answers from the people that answer.

              I would suggest using the replayer; mainly cos I like pictures and provide some info on yr opponents, your read on them; their range etc. there is only so far you can go by playing the right hands at the right time because in poker this does not always work out. You need to bring more info to the discussion than i think i played this right or i think i played this wrong just because you win or lose the hand.

              Another thing I noted was a lot of speech play which can be helpful but also counter productive; might be something you want to look at.

              Finally, listen. You mention being grateful for the opportunity but you have to respond in kind when people ask for more info. Don't go on the defensive, these guys are here to advise and help.

              GL at the tables

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              • #8
                , I don't think that I've ever been defensive through out all my posts. I don't take any of your suggestions or advise as criticisms or insults. If at some point you misinterpreted what I wrote, there was no intention in making it seem that I was insulted. Perhaps It seems this way because I'm too forthright and direct, I mean no aggression towards anyone. But thank you for your post, I'll keep that in mind and try to re-adjust in how I present my inquiries.

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                • #9
                  Andrei,

                  I think you will be a future star in poker and a much greater diplomat than I ever could be

                  TC

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by ssuglia View Post
                    He was sitting next to the hero. umbup:
                    LOL In all seriousness, I know I've been harping a bit on what are the reads and you're not giving them andrei, but in this hand I insist. I don't think your play was good generally. But I want to know why you do, because it could be good. So I'll ask again, reads on the villains?
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                    • #11
                      In this hand I had no reads on the villian, only that he doesn't play many hands but he's not aggressive either, so i would say that he's a Tight Passive player. That's as much information that I will be able to provide on the villian. But I felt that is was very unlikely that he had AA or KK, and my reason for shoving in was to double up now so that later in the tournament I will have a huge advantage.

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                      • #12
                        I'm not a fan of the shove here. With proper reads (like the villain is 3betting light), I could see a 4bet in this spot.

                        In fact, a normal sized 4bet might be best given post flop position. You'll be first to act here, and flatting this bet could put you in an awkward spot if a A or K flops.

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                        • #13
                          Note: Effective stack is only 14 BBs.
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                          • #14
                            Ok well if he's probalby on the tight passive side then I don't like the shove. It's way too big of an overbet... he 3b's you so he figures to have a good hand (tight-passives don't 3b light) but he's not likely to stack off without QQ+ for this big an overbet. So by making the overbet shove you're basically forcing him to play correctly against your holding, folding worse and getting it in with better.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by oriholic View Post
                              Note: Effective stack is only 14 BBs.
                              ?? Effective stack = 34 bb's
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