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  • Push against loose aggressive player, correct decision?

    Hi Folks,

    In the previous hand to this the villain had raised utg2 to 1k (2.5 xBB). He called a push and turned over k8s. He lost.

    This is the next hand


    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 0 Tournament, 200/400 Blinds 50 Ante (9 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    MP2 (t7814)
    MP3 (t6816)
    CO (t17548)
    Hero (Button) (t1397)
    SB (t11595)
    BB (t3775)
    UTG (t5353)
    UTG+1 (t13950)
    MP1 (t2340)

    Hero's M: 1.33

    Preflop: Hero is Button with K, 8
    UTG bets t800, 5 folds, Hero raises to t1347 (All-In), 2 folds, UTG calls t547

    Flop: (t3744) 7, 8, Q (2 players, 1 all-in)

    Turn: (t3744) 9 (2 players, 1 all-in)

    River: (t3744) 5 (2 players, 1 all-in)

    Total pot: t3744


    I'm not complaining about the result at all. I took a chance based on what I perceived as a change in pace by the villain. I felt he'd upped his agrression level a notch and was trying to take pots with at best mediocre hands.

    I tried to adapt quickly to his change in pace given my stack size at this point and I felt it was a an opportunity to accumulate some chips. I read the situation accurately tho

    What do you guys think?

    Cheers
    Last edited by fadmin; Sat Apr 09, 2011, 07:15 PM.

  • #2
    I can't see his hand? Is that because I am blind or doing something wrong? I understand you won the hand though. Concerning your push, you were very low on chips so had to pick any hand. I would still prefer pushing myself but that option is not always open of course. He is also the big stack so could be raising with many hands. I ran some equities in pokerstove giving him any broadway/any pair/any suited in which case your are barely +EV.

    Though I am playing poker for a while getting into these discussions is kinda new for me. I am putting it out there to learn too

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    • #3
      Originally posted by TooCruel View Post
      I can't see his hand? Is that because I am blind or doing something wrong? I understand you won the hand though. Concerning your push, you were very low on chips so had to pick any hand. I would still prefer pushing myself but that option is not always open of course. He is also the big stack so could be raising with many hands. I ran some equities in pokerstove giving him any broadway/any pair/any suited in which case your are barely +EV.

      Though I am playing poker for a while getting into these discussions is kinda new for me. I am putting it out there to learn too

      I lost the hand but like I say I took a chance because of the reasons stated. I haven't run the hand through pokerstove yet. It was a play based more on the fact that I thought my K was ahead. I wanted him to call and hoped he didnt suck out. He had JQs btw.

      Thanks for the feedback TooCruel

      PS. The hand is in text format, not the replayer, can you see the text?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by VareckRay View Post
        I lost the hand but like I say I took a chance because of the reasons stated. I haven't run the hand through pokerstove yet. It was a play based more on the fact that I thought my K was ahead. I wanted him to call and hoped he didnt suck out. He had JQs btw.

        Thanks for the feedback TooCruel

        PS. The hand is in text format, not the replayer, can you see the text?
        Ray,

        What range do you believe he's opening UTG? Plug that range into the Equity calc and run it against K8o. Adjust it up and down a bit and compare. Let us know what you find.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by TheLangolier View Post
          Ray,

          What range do you believe he's opening UTG? Plug that range into the Equity calc and run it against K8o. Adjust it up and down a bit and compare. Let us know what you find.

          Dave

          Hi Folks, ok I'm running this thru the odds calculator. I'm trying different ranges. The first is assuming my opponent could have cards at anywhere in his range, without using any of the information I had about his actual playing range, so hands such as AA etc are included in this.

          I will add to this as I try different ranges

          http://www.pokerschoolonline.com/art...c?sitId=141666

          Initially pre-flop I have a ~22% equity in the pot with the villain having ~30%.

          If I remove hands that I am fairly certain he doesn't have this changes in my favour tho he still has greater equity in the pot. ~25/27

          Running these ranges through poker stove puts me as the underdog 55/45 +/-3 in all scenarios except when I remove cards I believe he doesn't have. In this case these are the results

          Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

          513,691,200 games 0.460 secs 1,116,720,000 games/sec

          Board:
          Dead:

          equity win tie pots won pots tied
          Hand 0: 58.209% 57.16% 01.05% 293608515 5405075.00 { Ks8h }
          Hand 1: 41.791% 40.74% 01.05% 209272535 5405075.00 { 77-22, K7s-K2s, Q2s+, J2s+, T2s+, 92s+, 82s+, 72s+, 62s+, 52s+, 42s+, 32s, QTo+, JTo }


          This is obviously much better for me but I have removed any hands that are better than y K8, because I think I'm ahead with my K.

          taking out the worst of suited hands the following results

          397,254,528 games 0.370 secs 1,073,660,886 games/sec

          Board:
          Dead:

          equity win tie pots won pots tied
          Hand 0: 56.929% 55.75% 01.18% 221456516 4695402.50 { Ks8h }
          Hand 1: 43.071% 41.89% 01.18% 166407207 4695402.50 { 77-22, K7s-K2s, Q2s+, J2s+, T2s+, 96s+, 86s+, 74s+, 64s+, QTo+, JTo }


          Not sure if this is the correct way to use the calculators as it obviously looks like I made a profitable decision in the long run.

          cheers
          Last edited by fadmin; Sun Apr 10, 2011, 09:58 PM.

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          • #6
            Personally I wouldn't jam over someone who has already raised with K8, the villain can never fold to your shove and your not going to be ahead very often. I think its better to wait for a spot where you can be the first in the pot, so if folded to me I would shove with K8. In PSO games you might even win a pot uncontested as you have just enough chips to make the 3 stacks to your left uncomfortable calling your all in.
            Last edited by fadmin; Sun Apr 10, 2011, 09:11 PM.

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