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    PokerStars Game #58482470878: Hold'em No Limit ($0.02/$0.05 USD) - 2011/03/01 16:52:08 WET [2011/03/01 11:52:08 ET]
    Table 'Eugenia XII' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
    Seat 2: frenyedy1979 ($1.54 in chips)
    Seat 3: drinkiee ($5.10 in chips)
    Seat 4: antlovesang1 ($3.29 in chips)
    Seat 5: Kamylo20 ($12.50 in chips)
    Seat 6: iskander755 ($1.91 in chips)
    antlovesang1: posts small blind $0.02
    Kamylo20: posts big blind $0.05
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to antlovesang1 [8d 7h]
    iskander755: folds
    frenyedy1979: folds
    drinkiee: folds
    antlovesang1: calls $0.03
    Kamylo20: checks
    *** FLOP *** [8s 8c 2s]
    antlovesang1: checks
    Kamylo20: checks
    *** TURN *** [8s 8c 2s] [Td]
    antlovesang1: checks
    Kamylo20: checks
    *** RIVER *** [8s 8c 2s Td] [8h]
    antlovesang1: bets $0.05
    Kamylo20: folds
    Uncalled bet ($0.05) returned to antlovesang1
    antlovesang1 collected $0.10 from pot
    antlovesang1: shows [8d 7h] (four of a kind, Eights)
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot $0.10 | Rake $0
    Board [8s 8c 2s Td 8h]
    Seat 2: frenyedy1979 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: drinkiee (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: antlovesang1 (small blind) collected ($0.10)
    Seat 5: Kamylo20 (big blind) folded on the River
    Seat 6: iskander755 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

  • #2
    Originally posted by antlovesang1 View Post
    PokerStars Game #58482470878: Hold'em No Limit ($0.02/$0.05 USD) - 2011/03/01 16:52:08 WET [2011/03/01 11:52:08 ET]
    Table 'Eugenia XII' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
    Seat 2: frenyedy1979 ($1.54 in chips)
    Seat 3: drinkiee ($5.10 in chips)
    Seat 4: antlovesang1 ($3.29 in chips)
    Seat 5: Kamylo20 ($12.50 in chips)
    Seat 6: iskander755 ($1.91 in chips)
    antlovesang1: posts small blind $0.02
    Kamylo20: posts big blind $0.05
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to antlovesang1 [8d 7h]
    iskander755: folds
    frenyedy1979: folds
    drinkiee: folds
    antlovesang1: calls $0.03
    Kamylo20: checks
    *** FLOP *** [8s 8c 2s]
    antlovesang1: checks
    Kamylo20: checks
    *** TURN *** [8s 8c 2s] [Td]
    antlovesang1: checks
    Kamylo20: checks
    *** RIVER *** [8s 8c 2s Td] [8h]
    antlovesang1: bets $0.05
    Kamylo20: folds
    Uncalled bet ($0.05) returned to antlovesang1
    antlovesang1 collected $0.10 from pot
    antlovesang1: shows [8d 7h] (four of a kind, Eights)
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot $0.10 | Rake $0
    Board [8s 8c 2s Td 8h]
    Seat 2: frenyedy1979 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: drinkiee (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: antlovesang1 (small blind) collected ($0.10)
    Seat 5: Kamylo20 (big blind) folded on the River
    Seat 6: iskander755 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Hardly.

    Quads, especially Quads made in an un-raised pot with 3 of the cards on board, are not all that easy to get paid off on at all.

    Rather than worrying aobut getting paid n QUADS, why not bet the 2 spade flop? At that point you are probably getting called by spade draws, baby pp (22-55), and maybe even hands like A2.
    Turn comes and now Ts might call a bet, as well as J9 (or even weaker draws).

    By the river it is too late: Your opponent probably doesn't have ANY pair, and the pot is too small fo him to bother trying a "hero" call on A or K hi.

    This is another example of the "value" of aggressive play, over more passive styles.
    Double Bracelet Winner

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    • #3
      thanks for that jd so in a similar situation maybe i bet the flop to disguise my strong hand and make it look like a pot steal??

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      • #4
        lovely pot on these quads a couple hours later

        PokerStars Game #58488004374: Tournament #370229889, $1.00+$0.25+$0.15 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level III (20/40) - 2011/03/01 18:40:12 WET [2011/03/01 13:40:12 ET]
        Table '370229889 7' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
        Seat 1: meisy82 (3130 in chips)
        Seat 2: Csöves77 (2890 in chips)
        Seat 3: ratoboretc (2065 in chips)
        Seat 4: Rockolada (2055 in chips)
        Seat 5: LunaGra (4960 in chips)
        Seat 6: antlovesang1 (4235 in chips)
        Seat 7: ciomez (2355 in chips)
        Seat 8: sasha291 (1580 in chips)
        Seat 9: Shilka1 (1105 in chips)
        Rockolada: posts small blind 20
        LunaGra: posts big blind 40
        *** HOLE CARDS ***
        Dealt to antlovesang1 [7c 7s]
        antlovesang1: raises 80 to 120
        ciomez: folds
        sasha291: folds
        Shilka1 has timed out
        Shilka1: folds
        Shilka1 is sitting out
        meisy82: calls 120
        Csöves77: folds
        ratoboretc: folds
        Rockolada: folds
        LunaGra: folds
        *** FLOP *** [9s 7h 4c]
        antlovesang1: checks
        meisy82: bets 200
        antlovesang1: raises 200 to 400
        meisy82: raises 2610 to 3010 and is all-in
        antlovesang1: calls 2610
        *** TURN *** [9s 7h 4c] [Ks]
        *** RIVER *** [9s 7h 4c Ks] [7d]
        *** SHOW DOWN ***
        antlovesang1: shows [7c 7s] (four of a kind, Sevens)
        meisy82: shows [9c Ac] (two pair, Nines and Sevens)
        antlovesang1 collected 6320 from pot
        antlovesang1 wins the $0.25 bounty for eliminating meisy82
        meisy82 finished the tournament in 62nd place
        *** SUMMARY ***
        Total pot 6320 | Rake 0
        Board [9s 7h 4c Ks 7d]
        Seat 1: meisy82 showed [9c Ac] and lost with two pair, Nines and Sevens
        Seat 2: Csöves77 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
        Seat 3: ratoboretc (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
        Seat 4: Rockolada (small blind) folded before Flop
        Seat 5: LunaGra (big blind) folded before Flop
        Seat 6: antlovesang1 showed [7c 7s] and won (6320) with four of a kind, Sevens
        Seat 7: ciomez folded before Flop (didn't bet)
        Seat 8: sasha291 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
        Seat 9: Shilka1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

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        • #5
          Originally posted by antlovesang1 View Post
          lovely pot on these quads a couple hours later

          PokerStars Game #58488004374: Tournament #370229889, $1.00+$0.25+$0.15 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level III (20/40) - 2011/03/01 18:40:12 WET [2011/03/01 13:40:12 ET]
          Table '370229889 7' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
          Seat 1: meisy82 (3130 in chips)
          Seat 2: Csöves77 (2890 in chips)
          Seat 3: ratoboretc (2065 in chips)
          Seat 4: Rockolada (2055 in chips)
          Seat 5: LunaGra (4960 in chips)
          Seat 6: antlovesang1 (4235 in chips)
          Seat 7: ciomez (2355 in chips)
          Seat 8: sasha291 (1580 in chips)
          Seat 9: Shilka1 (1105 in chips)
          Rockolada: posts small blind 20
          LunaGra: posts big blind 40
          *** HOLE CARDS ***
          Dealt to antlovesang1 [7c 7s]
          antlovesang1: raises 80 to 120
          ciomez: folds
          sasha291: folds
          Shilka1 has timed out
          Shilka1: folds
          Shilka1 is sitting out
          meisy82: calls 120
          Csöves77: folds
          ratoboretc: folds
          Rockolada: folds
          LunaGra: folds
          *** FLOP *** [9s 7h 4c]
          antlovesang1: checks
          meisy82: bets 200
          antlovesang1: raises 200 to 400
          meisy82: raises 2610 to 3010 and is all-in
          antlovesang1: calls 2610
          *** TURN *** [9s 7h 4c] [Ks]
          *** RIVER *** [9s 7h 4c Ks] [7d]
          *** SHOW DOWN ***
          antlovesang1: shows [7c 7s] (four of a kind, Sevens)
          meisy82: shows [9c Ac] (two pair, Nines and Sevens)
          antlovesang1 collected 6320 from pot
          antlovesang1 wins the $0.25 bounty for eliminating meisy82
          meisy82 finished the tournament in 62nd place
          *** SUMMARY ***
          Total pot 6320 | Rake 0
          Board [9s 7h 4c Ks 7d]
          Seat 1: meisy82 showed [9c Ac] and lost with two pair, Nines and Sevens
          Seat 2: Csöves77 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
          Seat 3: ratoboretc (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
          Seat 4: Rockolada (small blind) folded before Flop
          Seat 5: LunaGra (big blind) folded before Flop
          Seat 6: antlovesang1 showed [7c 7s] and won (6320) with four of a kind, Sevens
          Seat 7: ciomez folded before Flop (didn't bet)
          Seat 8: sasha291 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
          Seat 9: Shilka1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
          See?

          1 pair hands do like to pay off sets...sometimes.



          This one is a lot different than the last though.

          1) far fewer "threats" to yur flopped set.
          2) the person in with you didn't see top/top facing draws.

          Makes a good flop for your 7's!
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          • #6
            Originally posted by antlovesang1 View Post
            thanks for that jd so in a similar situation maybe i bet the flop to disguise my strong hand and make it look like a pot steal??
            Not really...

            bet half pot on the 882 flop. Either your opponent calls, or he doesn't.

            You have every reason in a blind-on-blind hand to suspect you hold the best hand on that flop. You not only want to bet to avoid palcing yourself in a "tricky" spot if a threat card comes (for you), but you also want to avoid having a scary card come for what your opponent may hold.

            Example:

            Let's say the villain has 55 on that 882 flop.

            He will probably CHECK/CALL a half pot bet from you. Since you are oop though, a "weak" looking lead bet (around half pot) is probably getting at least 1 call from 55. You could then check the turn, and maybe induce a bluff on the river.

            If you check/call from oop, you are not only "drying up" any future action (except by better hands than trip 8's), but a card bigger than 55 may hit the turn, and be "scary" for the opponent. If you haven't gotten some value into the pot by then, you aren;t going to get any in after the scare card.
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            • #7
              thanks very much for the advice jd i will certainately take this advice on board

              as for the 2nd set of quads nothing i did was anything but standard i just had it easy that time

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              • #8
                Raise or fold pre. Bet flop, bet turn. Sometimes when you flop a monster you don't get action. All the time that you fail to put money in the pot you don't get action. Keep it to "sometimes" by betting somewhere before the river.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by JDean View Post
                  why not bet the 2 spade flop? At that point you are probably getting called by spade draws, baby pp (22-55), and maybe even hands like A2.
                  Great reply JD, but let's not nit up the random micro player too much. The guy is not folding any pair or spade draw if you put a gun to his head. And they will make random calls with unpaired hands like QJ (to peel a card), and ace high (because it might be good). The villain can't make a bad call if we don't present him with the opportunity to do so.
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                  • #10
                    Good posts JD!

                    ant, 2nd hand is better but I think you should still lead out rather than go for a check-raise. You raised pre UTG, you would be continuation betting frequently heads up right? c-betting TT? c-betting AQ? Might as well c-bet your monsters too. The min-check-raise looks so strong here you're lucky the guy wasn't any good and stacked himself off with A9. idk with reads this line can be ideal but in a vacuum cbet your rare monsters in spots you would be expected to cbet moderate strength hands and air as well.
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                    • #11
                      hey dave i see what you are saying many a time with a raise in any postion realy pre flop i tend to check raise on a flop i hit that is strong for me sometimes i just get afraid to bet the flop incase they fold and i dont get paid strangely though ih i had ak/aq and didnt hit a flop i tend to lead out to see where im at

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                      • #12
                        PokerStars Game #58481238773: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02 USD) - 2011/03/01 8:25:23 PT [2011/03/01 11:25:23 ET]
                        Table 'Imprinetta XVI' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
                        Seat 1: cjooste ($1.11 in chips)
                        Seat 2: Sitowlan ($0.80 in chips)
                        Seat 4: SPOAK ($1.90 in chips)
                        Seat 5: MiIIIaS ($0.68 in chips)
                        Seat 6: Jambi022 ($0.90 in chips)
                        Seat 7: KamekAce ($2 in chips)
                        Seat 8: PaidInFull6 ($1.97 in chips)
                        Seat 9: lwltksn ($2 in chips)
                        cjooste: posts small blind $0.01
                        Sitowlan: posts big blind $0.02
                        *** HOLE CARDS ***
                        Dealt to PaidInFull6 [7c 7d]
                        SPOAK: folds
                        MiIIIaS: folds
                        Jambi022: calls $0.02
                        KamekAce: folds
                        PaidInFull6: calls $0.02
                        lwltksn: calls $0.02
                        cjooste: folds
                        Sitowlan: checks
                        *** FLOP *** [7s Ac 7h]
                        Sitowlan: checks
                        Jambi022: checks
                        PaidInFull6: checks
                        lwltksn: checks
                        *** TURN *** [7s Ac 7h] [6c]
                        PedroN87 joins the table at seat #3
                        Sitowlan: checks
                        Jambi022: checks
                        PaidInFull6: bets $0.02
                        lwltksn: folds
                        Sitowlan: folds
                        Jambi022: calls $0.02
                        *** RIVER *** [7s Ac 7h 6c] [Kc]
                        Jambi022: checks
                        PaidInFull6: bets $0.04
                        Jambi022: folds
                        Uncalled bet ($0.04) returned to PaidInFull6
                        PaidInFull6 collected $0.13 from pot
                        *** SUMMARY ***
                        Total pot $0.13 | Rake $0
                        Board [7s Ac 7h 6c Kc]
                        Seat 1: cjooste (small blind) folded before Flop
                        Seat 2: Sitowlan (big blind) folded on the Turn
                        Seat 4: SPOAK folded before Flop (didn't bet)
                        Seat 5: MiIIIaS folded before Flop (didn't bet)
                        Seat 6: Jambi022 folded on the River
                        Seat 7: KamekAce folded before Flop (didn't bet)
                        Seat 8: PaidInFull6 collected ($0.13)
                        Seat 9: lwltksn (button) folded on the Turn

                        Although I did manage to get 1 bet called It felt like I won the minimum here. JD is right, monster hands are hard to get paid off in limped pots.
                        BTW what do you think of my bet on the turn? I was trying to give good odds for potential flush draws/1 pair hands, but think a flush draw probably would have called 'sBB so I should have bet more.

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                        • #13
                          PokerStars Game #58505545415: Tournament #409010742, $1.00+$0.10 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (25/50) - 2011/03/01 23:36:03 WET [2011/03/01 18:36:03 ET]
                          Table '409010742 211' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
                          Seat 1: Danymite76 (3165 in chips)
                          Seat 2: PkrWeeeh (1559 in chips)
                          Seat 3: uscatusese23 (5480 in chips)
                          Seat 4: $$$OlegDN888 (1667 in chips)
                          Seat 5: cashmeout84 (10568 in chips)
                          Seat 6: queenma206 (1672 in chips)
                          Seat 7: drtyvegasfle (3876 in chips)
                          Seat 8: ronc40 (2640 in chips)
                          Seat 9: antlovesang1 (3918 in chips)
                          drtyvegasfle: posts small blind 25
                          ronc40: posts big blind 50
                          *** HOLE CARDS ***
                          Dealt to antlovesang1 [Kc 3c]
                          antlovesang1: calls 50
                          Danymite76: folds
                          PkrWeeeh: raises 250 to 300
                          uscatusese23: folds
                          $$$OlegDN888: folds
                          cashmeout84: folds
                          queenma206: folds
                          drtyvegasfle: calls 275
                          ronc40: calls 250
                          antlovesang1: folds
                          *** FLOP *** [Ts 5c Ks]
                          drtyvegasfle: bets 150
                          ronc40: folds
                          ronc40 is sitting out
                          PkrWeeeh: calls 150
                          *** TURN *** [Ts 5c Ks] [Kh]
                          drtyvegasfle: bets 450
                          PkrWeeeh: calls 450
                          *** RIVER *** [Ts 5c Ks Kh] [Kd]
                          drtyvegasfle: checks
                          PkrWeeeh: bets 400
                          drtyvegasfle: raises 400 to 800
                          PkrWeeeh: calls 259 and is all-in
                          Uncalled bet (141) returned to drtyvegasfle
                          *** SHOW DOWN ***
                          drtyvegasfle: shows [Qd Jd] (three of a kind, Kings)
                          PkrWeeeh: shows [Ad Td] (a full house, Kings full of Tens)
                          PkrWeeeh collected 3468 from pot
                          *** SUMMARY ***
                          Total pot 3468 | Rake 0
                          Board [Ts 5c Ks Kh Kd]
                          Seat 1: Danymite76 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
                          Seat 2: PkrWeeeh showed [Ad Td] and won (3468) with a full house, Kings full of Tens
                          Seat 3: uscatusese23 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
                          Seat 4: $$$OlegDN888 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
                          Seat 5: cashmeout84 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
                          Seat 6: queenma206 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
                          Seat 7: drtyvegasfle (small blind) showed [Qd Jd] and lost with three of a kind, Kings
                          Seat 8: ronc40 (big blind) folded on the Flop
                          Seat 9: antlovesang1 folded before Flop

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                          • #14
                            PokerStars Game #58550229837: Tournament #370646339, $2.00+$0.20 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2011/03/02 21:55:15 WET [2011/03/02 16:55:15 ET]
                            Table '370646339 10' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
                            Seat 1: maximmax26 (2000 in chips)
                            Seat 2: katoikidio21 (2000 in chips)
                            Seat 3: garfield40 (2000 in chips)
                            Seat 4: OBOLLLEBACK (2000 in chips)
                            Seat 5: Zap Kersplat (2000 in chips)
                            Seat 6: minarvo (2000 in chips)
                            Seat 7: alin111 (2000 in chips)
                            Seat 8: davidpop (2000 in chips)
                            Seat 9: antlovesang1 (2000 in chips)
                            katoikidio21: posts small blind 10
                            garfield40: posts big blind 20
                            *** HOLE CARDS ***
                            Dealt to antlovesang1 [Ah As]
                            OBOLLLEBACK: folds
                            Zap Kersplat: folds
                            minarvo: raises 40 to 60
                            alin111: folds
                            davidpop: calls 60
                            antlovesang1: raises 180 to 240
                            maximmax26: folds
                            katoikidio21: folds
                            garfield40: raises 1760 to 2000 and is all-in
                            minarvo: folds
                            davidpop: folds
                            antlovesang1: calls 1760 and is all-in
                            *** FLOP *** [3c Ac 7h]
                            *** TURN *** [3c Ac 7h] [Ad]
                            *** RIVER *** [3c Ac 7h Ad] [8h]
                            *** SHOW DOWN ***
                            garfield40: shows [Kc Qc] (a pair of Aces)
                            antlovesang1: shows [Ah As] (four of a kind, Aces)
                            antlovesang1 collected 4130 from pot
                            garfield40 finished the tournament in 90th place
                            *** SUMMARY ***
                            Total pot 4130 | Rake 0
                            Board [3c Ac 7h Ad 8h]
                            Seat 1: maximmax26 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
                            Seat 2: katoikidio21 (small blind) folded before Flop
                            Seat 3: garfield40 (big blind) showed [Kc Qc] and lost with a pair of Aces
                            Seat 4: OBOLLLEBACK folded before Flop (didn't bet)
                            Seat 5: Zap Kersplat folded before Flop (didn't bet)
                            Seat 6: minarvo folded before Flop
                            Seat 7: alin111 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
                            Seat 8: davidpop folded before Flop
                            Seat 9: antlovesang1 showed [Ah As] and won (4130) with four of a kind, Aces

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                            • #15
                              PokerStars Game #58576085851: Hold'em No Limit ($0.02/$0.05 USD) - 2011/03/03 11:38:12 WET [2011/03/03 6:38:12 ET]
                              Table 'Electra II' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
                              Seat 1: hussefelt ($13.29 in chips)
                              Seat 2: p2967 ($4.38 in chips)
                              Seat 3: antlovesang1 ($3.29 in chips)
                              Seat 4: tktanya ($5 in chips)
                              Seat 5: aplaava ($5.66 in chips)
                              Seat 6: Unb3li3v ($0.76 in chips)
                              antlovesang1: posts small blind $0.02
                              tktanya: posts big blind $0.05
                              *** HOLE CARDS ***
                              Dealt to antlovesang1 [6d 6s]
                              aplaava: folds
                              Unb3li3v: folds
                              hussefelt: raises $0.13 to $0.18
                              p2967: folds
                              antlovesang1: calls $0.16
                              tktanya: folds
                              *** FLOP *** [6c Js 6h]
                              antlovesang1: checks
                              hussefelt: checks
                              *** TURN *** [6c Js 6h] [7c]
                              antlovesang1: bets $0.05
                              hussefelt: folds
                              Uncalled bet ($0.05) returned to antlovesang1
                              antlovesang1 collected $0.39 from pot
                              antlovesang1: shows [6d 6s] (four of a kind, Sixes)
                              *** SUMMARY ***
                              Total pot $0.41 | Rake $0.02
                              Board [6c Js 6h 7c]
                              Seat 1: hussefelt folded on the Turn
                              Seat 2: p2967 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
                              Seat 3: antlovesang1 (small blind) collected ($0.39)
                              Seat 4: tktanya (big blind) folded before Flop
                              Seat 5: aplaava folded before Flop (didn't bet)
                              Seat 6: Unb3li3v folded before Flop (didn't bet)

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