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    Random card distribution on stars?

    I took a good 8 years of convincing to join online poker from my friends. I have played on stars for 2 weeks now and its hard to believe it is random when i see the same beats over and over. People calling huge shoves when not commited with second pair and hitting it on the river more times then it holds. then the running straight when drawing practically dead( i pik this cause i saw it happen 6 consecutive times in the same tourney when it was possible) some please explain to me how the random stuff works cause it seems to just change the ways to loss each day

  • Ovalman
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    Originally posted by PanickyPoker View Post
    Fixed Limit STT's? Cool. A little obscure, but cool.
    I can play NL but found Limit STT's profitable

    I never had any doubts on the RNG of any site (not just PS) but I When I examined my results I found my flips matched closely to what was expected.

    Maybe HEM has contrived to fool me?

    Sad thing is I'm on tilt and can't blame anything but myself on my results

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    Fixed Limit STT's? Cool. A little obscure, but cool.

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    Originally posted by Ovalman View Post
    Without reading any of the replies above I have over 150,000 hands mainly from Limit STT's. I'm on a bit of tilt atm so I ran the "Races" report on my hands at showdown and guess what - my % wins and losses matched almost EXACTLY to what was expected for a truly random RNG. When I have over 1 million hands I'll expect those stats to become even closer. I can print my stats if you want but if you're convinced the RNG is bent then there's no amount of stats that will please you.

    I've never doubted the RNG on any site BTW, it's what you do with the cards that matters. Until you accept this fact you won't become a winner long term. If you convince yourself for long enough that you won't win then don't be surprised if it comes true.

    Edit. My stats are on Holdem Manager 2.
    THIS!

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  • Ovalman
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    Without reading any of the replies above I have over 150,000 hands mainly from Limit STT's. I'm on a bit of tilt atm so I ran the "Races" report on my hands at showdown and guess what - my % wins and losses matched almost EXACTLY to what was expected for a truly random RNG. When I have over 1 million hands I'll expect those stats to become even closer. I can print my stats if you want but if you're convinced the RNG is bent then there's no amount of stats that will please you.

    I've never doubted the RNG on any site BTW, it's what you do with the cards that matters. Until you accept this fact you won't become a winner long term. If you convince yourself for long enough that you won't win then don't be surprised if it comes true.

    Edit. My stats are on Holdem Manager 2.
    Last edited by Ovalman; Sun Feb 19, 2012, 08:48 PM. Reason: last paragraph.

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    Originally posted by Django66 View Post
    are you sure about this?

    i wonder everytime i play stud, basically, if true, i can see what i would have got after folding because the guy to my left gets the card i would have got?
    yes . but only for the next street of action. the next round it would be( if you stayed in) two to your left, and so on

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    Originally posted by Django66 View Post
    are you sure about this?

    i wonder everytime i play stud, basically, if true, i can see what i would have got after folding because the guy to my left gets the card i would have got?
    the system has no idea if and when u are going to fold. yes, ur left-hand opponent gets the card[s] u would have gotten had u stayed in, but it's pure chance whether they get what u needed or if they get some other card[s].
    Last edited by fadmin; Sun Feb 19, 2012, 06:11 AM. Reason: just clarifying what i originally posted

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    For games that can deal out more than 52 cards, the discards will be re-shuffled and dealt when needed, but other than that the deck is set after the first shuffle. A dealer message will pop up saying "deck is being re-shuffled."

    I've discarded in 2-7 triple draw before and gotten the exact same card back. That = argh.

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  • Django66
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    Originally posted by Moxie Pip View Post
    The deck is...

    First: Shuffled

    Second: Set

    Third: Dealt

    Once the deck is set it's set,period. The order of the cards does NOT change. .

    are you sure about this?

    i wonder everytime i play stud, basically, if true, i can see what i would have got after folding because the guy to my left gets the card i would have got?

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    Originally posted by pepsipanda16 View Post
    The reason i posted this is hands where I have AK flop come K 10 7 i bet get raised by someone with 20k chips i have 20k chips at like 200/400 blinds so he is no where commited i shovwe and he snap calls with A10 and rivers the 10 i know in this situation on the flop i am an 85% favorite. I had played 12 tourneys yesterda yand busted 4 this way to a snap call from someone that made a play and doesnt need to call or commited but does anyway and get there. that was my issue i know AK to 89 is only a 60% favorite its just frustrating
    Ok, I realize this wasn't the reason for the OP, but here's a suggestion:

    Why are you over shoving here? I don't know what level you're playing at, but at any level over valuing Top top is a losing play in the long run. I realize you are comparing AK to A10, but this is being resaults oriented, whcih is a mistake in poker.

    (also, there would need to be more specifics for this analysis but, I'll go with what I got here.)

    You have AK (we'll assume off suite) You raise (let's assume a 3BB raise here to $1200. Villan Calls. The pot is now $3000 (assuming neither of you were the blinds and no one else was involved.)

    The board comes giving you Top pair with Top kicker. A very good hand, but not unbeatable. You bet out out (Let's guess 50%) $1500. The villan here, either making a play, not giving you credit or just being a bad player, raises you another $1500. The pot is now at $7500

    So right here, what are you putting your Opponent on? Unless you're psychic, I don't read this as ABSOLUTELY a weaker hand. In his range are any where from weaker pairs (QQ, JJ, 99.) a stronger Pair (AA, though probably would have reraised you preflop) 10's and 77's are definately in his range, as well as KK (but again, may have Reraised pre, plus you have the blockers for both the AA and KK.) But he also could be holding 2 pair here with K10, or less likely K7, or even less likely 10 7.

    Either way, a shove here is WAY too strong, and for 2 reasons. One, you could very easily be beat, and second, since the play is SO strong, the opponent may see it as weakness....which I believe is the case in your situation. If you just call his reraise, and then bet out on the turned blank, I think you're seeing a fold there from the villan, and you win a big pot.

    This is just an opinion, but hopefully it will get you thinking more about why the HAND lead you into a bad beat, rather than the Randomness of the cards.

    L8r,

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    RNG

    Thanks moxie,

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    Originally posted by marjoryaaa View Post
    just wondering with the rng. Does the rng pick the cards at the time their being dealt or is it from then 52! decks available?

    The deck is...

    First: Shuffled

    Second: Set

    Third: Dealt

    Once the deck is set it's set,period. The order of the cards does NOT change. Not whether you use your keys to instigate an action instead of your mouse,or wait 5 or 10 seconds to act,or whatever other"tips" you may have heard.

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    r n g

    just wondering with the rng. Does the rng pick the cards at the time their being dealt or is it from then 52! decks available?

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    I know exactly how u feel

    I have came to a similar understanding of the RNG but agree that the result of all the suckouts are due to the players irational decisions rather than the RNG.. its the sheer volume of hands played and hands sucked out that the good out weighs the bad and thats why decision has favoured this way

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    When the old hedgehog came online, the cry centered around the monster hands that always lost to trashy cards. I too joined that conspiracy group. However, unlike those who mouth off, I decided to prove PokerStars cheated its customers.

    For six months I compiled data on the group one and group two hands. I knew the statistics would verify what everyone believed. Surprise. It proved the exact opposite. My numbers came close to the norm for both distribution and winning percentages. Now I'm convinced of the very opposite. PokerStars computer program is as random as possible.

    The reason we think the system rigged is twofold. The first is the inability to actually see the computer shuffle. That makes us suspicious. Be honest, would you patronize a casino where the dealer mixed the cards out of your sight? Unfortunately, there is no possible way of showing a computer shuffling.

    Next reason is human nature. We all remember the bad beats laid down on us. We can recall the suckout when we had the made hand. Just as an experiment, can you remember the last time your pocket aces lost? I'm guessing you'll remember every detail, such as number of players calling, how much you wagered, the community, and when your hand went down the crapper. Now reverse the question. Most players cannot recall any details about the pocket aces that won since it is the result they anticipated.

    Let me now propose a simple experiment. Take a piece of paper and divide it into three columns. Label the first one "winning on turn - lost on river" and the other column "losing on turn - won on river. Keep track of how many hands you played in the tourney or ring sessions in the third column. When you surpass 10K hands, add up the first two columns. I'll bet your numbers are reasonably close and are a small percentage of the hands you played.

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