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    i could not find the br <bankroll to newbies> management so posted this here for any one who wants know something that does work and works well...
    ok...e.g 10 dolllers where to start
    firstly it depends on what type of player you are? question your own abilities and confidence.........
    ok so lets take it your a complete novice....but you have played free play poker and did ok so thats why you are here....
    ok firstly the obvious enter the freerolls,they are frustrating but hey cost nothing..
    then as told to me by others 45ppl sng for 25c great.....
    but how to subsidise these tourneys without affecting your br is the trick...!
    what i do go on 1c 2c no limit with minimum buyin of 80c,...
    yes almost 10 percent of my starting br a risky play to start....
    but bare in mind grind your way to 1.05 from 80c and thats a free 45ppl sng at 25c with a 3 doller first prize and top 7 get payed...
    so yes if you are confident this does work and can soon build a stack to play at over levels...
    so another thing i do lets say we are 17 dollers of our ten.....
    its well worth risking say 55c on a big mtt that have some good prizes that if you hit one you will have a great br to play with so bare this in mind but only play one now and again dont go chasing them as ive busted so many time my br just playing them.
    hope this helps some of you ....

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    • #3
      Originally posted by holdemace486 View Post
      i could not find the br <bankroll to newbies> management so posted this here for any one who wants know something that does work and works well...
      ok...e.g 10 dolllers where to start
      firstly it depends on what type of player you are? question your own abilities and confidence.........
      ok so lets take it your a complete novice....but you have played free play poker and did ok so thats why you are here....
      ok firstly the obvious enter the freerolls,they are frustrating but hey cost nothing..
      then as told to me by others 45ppl sng for 25c great.....
      but how to subsidise these tourneys without affecting your br is the trick...!
      what i do go on 1c 2c no limit with minimum buyin of 80c,...
      yes almost 10 percent of my starting br a risky play to start....
      but bare in mind grind your way to 1.05 from 80c and thats a free 45ppl sng at 25c with a 3 doller first prize and top 7 get payed...
      so yes if you are confident this does work and can soon build a stack to play at over levels...
      so another thing i do lets say we are 17 dollers of our ten.....
      its well worth risking say 55c on a big mtt that have some good prizes that if you hit one you will have a great br to play with so bare this in mind but only play one now and again dont go chasing them as ive busted so many time my br just playing them.
      hope this helps some of you ....

      holdem I'm not saying this to be a smartass,nor to poke you but I just have to ask this as I hope you'll stop to THINK about your answer...

      ...given the frequency at which you re-load,is this really working for you? Really?

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      • #4
        BTW the reason you are having trouble finding the bankroll management posts is because there is NO LONGER a Bankroll Management thread.

        They apparently just want to lump quite possibly the single most important educational aspect of being successful at poker in with everything else. Oh well,given the promotion of lagtard play that they're promoting with the new rake payouts on the ring tables I guess punting BR management advice dovetails perfectly with their objectives.

        Guess we can't be cluttering up the new and "improved" Forum with a stand alone thread on BR Management like we had before. Have to have room for important stuff like promo spams and the VIP Lounge.

        Just a shameful attitude for a supposed poker school.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Moxie Pip View Post
            holdem I'm not saying this to be a smartass,nor to poke you but I just have to ask this as I hope you'll stop to THINK about your answer...

            ...given the frequency at which you re-load,is this really working for you? Really?
            well actually i never had a br management b4 and this is what im doing now and it is working at the moment quite nicely ty

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            • #7
              Well I agree with the Original Post. In a way.

              I am a Newbie, did ok at Play Money, do ok in pubs/clubs for a £5 game (that is all you can do in one night)

              I'm no expert, but learning....

              Anyway, back to the OP. Although I don't mind telling you that I started with a large BR of £50 ($78 approx), I only played the weeny 0.02c /0.10/0.25, to start, (still do!!), and not having much success, I thought I would have to stick my neck out and subsidise my losses with playing a 9 seat SNG ($1.50 is the minimum). This is what I have done on Play money the most, and is what I am best at. (still can't pass the SNG Quiz tho lol)

              Fortunately, it has worked for me, But, listen, my Bankroll (some would say), is enough to just play the $1.50 SNG. (50 games @$1.50)

              So, if there is a game which you feel that it is your strength, or "best game", I say go for it OCCASIONALLY, even if the minimum Buy-In is above you planned schedule. But only if it is affordable to you.

              I will also point out that I have lost money on two other sites (really not alot), but decided to start afresh, with more discipline.

              If Pokerstars introduce say a 50c 9 Seat SNG, I think it would not only help people like me, but also get them more customers.

              I am no Bankroll expert, but read alot on internet, and was inspired by Chris Ferguson.
              Last edited by WeaselBasher; Tue Jan 03, 2012, 02:54 PM.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by holdemace486 View Post
                well actually i never had a br management b4 and this is what im doing now and it is working at the moment quite nicely ty

                I think you're OK playing the .25 45 man's holdem,but sitting at 2NL with as low a BR as you have,ESPECIALLY with your tilt issues,is a major BR management leak. You NEED to hear this.

                Sitting with .80 cents at 2NL is a bad stack to begin with,so you're IMMEDIATELY making a mistake before you even play a hand. Look you should be doing on of two things at 2NL,either sitting with 100BB's (that means $2.00) or doing the "hit-and-run" play,where you sit down,look for the first reasonable chance to shove,and either bust or take your winnings and run if you hit. This is NOT something that most players would recommend,but there are some players at these levels that make a practice of it,so maybe they have figured out how to make it a viable play for themselves. But .80 is way too much of a starting stack for that strategy,.30 to .40 is much more the norm. (A: more likely to get called,B: less risk if you miss...) As for playing it "straight" you're shorting yourself EVERY TIME you sit with .80 at 2NL. One if you do get a shot to stack someone,you aren't getting the most you could out of the spot. Two,you have weaker fold equity against the table than you would if you were sufficiently stacked.

                You have nowhere near the BR you need to do either of these styles holdem and please understand that there ARE regs at 2NL and when they see you constantly sit without a sufficient stack to play correctly they are going to mark you as a fish and exploit you as best they can. Are you running a + BB/100 hands ratio at 2NL,like at least 3BB/100 hands? And over a good sample size (10K hands AT LEAST,and that's a bare minimum...)? If not then you ARE exploitable at even this level. Don't kid yourself. I SUCK on rings and even I understand this.

                Until you have at LEAST 25 100BB buy-ins at 2NL ($2.00 per buy-in x 25 = $50.00) you shouldn't even think about trying to grind anything at 2NL. And again,with your tilt issues,you should be much,much more conservative than this.

                None of this is probably what you WANT to hear,but it is what you NEED to hear. Slowing down your rate of re-loading (in other words losing more slowly...) is a good first step. But you are far,far away from being consistently profitable yet holdem. That CAN happen for sure,you're in the right place to help have that happen. But being ultra-conservative in your BR management is going to be key in this process until you have found a game,or games,at this level that you KNOW,not think,not guess,KNOW,you can beat over a large sample.

                Take this or not. Your choice.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by WeaselBasher View Post
                  Well I agree with the Original Post. In a way.

                  I am a Newbie, did ok at Play Money, do ok in pubs/clubs for a £5 game (that is all you can do in one night)

                  I'm no expert, but learning....

                  Anyway, back to the OP. Although I don't mind telling you that I started with a large BR of £50 ($78 approx), I only played the weeny 0.02c /0.10/0.25, to start, (still do!!), and not having much success, I thought I would have to stick my neck out and subsidise my losses with playing a 9 seat SNG ($1.50 is the minimum). This is what I have done on Play money the most, and is what I am best at. (still can't pass the SNG Quiz tho lol)

                  Fortunately, it has worked for me, But, listen, my Bankroll (some would say), is enough to just play the $1.50 SNG. (50 games @$1.50)

                  So, if there is a game which you feel that it is your strength, or "best game", I say go for it OCCASIONALLY, even if the minimum Buy-In is above you planned schedule. But only if it is affordable to you.

                  I will also point out that I have lost money on two other sites (really not alot), but decided to start afresh, with more discipline.

                  If Pokerstars introduce say a 50c 9 Seat SNG, I think it would not only help people like me, but also get them more customers.

                  I am no Bankroll expert, but read alot on internet, and was inspired by Chris Ferguson.

                  50 buy-ins for STT's is perfectly reasonable BR management Weasel.

                  Try e-mailing support as to the .50 STT idea. They DO take customer requests/interests into account sometimes if they see a clamoring for a particular game.

                  If/when American players get back on here I would love to see non-turbo 45 and 90 man SNG's at the .50 level myself. Also a .25 27 man would be a cool addition I think.
                  Last edited by Moxie Pip; Tue Jan 03, 2012, 11:11 PM.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Moxie Pip View Post
                    If/when American players get back on here I would love to see non-turbo 45 and 90 man SNG's at the .50 level myself. Also a .25 27 man would be a cool addition I think.
                    I agree 100%. I'd be in those games too when the US players are able to be back.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Moxie Pip View Post
                      I think you're OK playing the .25 45 man's holdem,but sitting at 2NL with as low a BR as you have,ESPECIALLY with your tilt issues,is a major BR management leak. You NEED to hear this.

                      Sitting with .80 cents at 2NL is a bad stack to begin with,so you're IMMEDIATELY making a mistake before you even play a hand. Look you should be doing on of two things at 2NL,either sitting with 100BB's (that means $2.00) or doing the "hit-and-run" play,where you sit down,look for the first reasonable chance to shove,and either bust or take your winnings and run if you hit. This is NOT something that most players would recommend,but there are some players at these levels that make a practice of it,so maybe they have figured out how to make it a viable play for themselves. But .80 is way too much of a starting stack for that strategy,.30 to .40 is much more the norm. (A: more likely to get called,B: less risk if you miss...) As for playing it "straight" you're shorting yourself EVERY TIME you sit with .80 at 2NL. One if you do get a shot to stack someone,you aren't getting the most you could out of the spot. Two,you have weaker fold equity against the table than you would if you were sufficiently stacked.

                      You have nowhere near the BR you need to do either of these styles holdem and please understand that there ARE regs at 2NL and when they see you constantly sit without a sufficient stack to play correctly they are going to mark you as a fish and exploit you as best they can. Are you running a + BB/100 hands ratio at 2NL,like at least 3BB/100 hands? And over a good sample size (10K hands AT LEAST,and that's a bare minimum...)? If not then you ARE exploitable at even this level. Don't kid yourself. I SUCK on rings and even I understand this.

                      Until you have at LEAST 25 100BB buy-ins at 2NL ($2.00 per buy-in x 25 = $50.00) you shouldn't even think about trying to grind anything at 2NL. And again,with your tilt issues,you should be much,much more conservative than this.

                      None of this is probably what you WANT to hear,but it is what you NEED to hear. Slowing down your rate of re-loading (in other words losing more slowly...) is a good first step. But you are far,far away from being consistently profitable yet holdem. That CAN happen for sure,you're in the right place to help have that happen. But being ultra-conservative in your BR management is going to be key in this process until you have found a game,or games,at this level that you KNOW,not think,not guess,KNOW,you can beat over a large sample.

                      Take this or not. Your choice.
                      thx moxi will take your advice and try to stay away from this but i do have to say it has worked for me up until i tilt lol thx

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                      • #12
                        Holdems brm wouldn't work for me since I have never made a dime playing cash tables.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by john.duce View Post
                          Holdems brm wouldn't work for me since I have never made a dime playing cash tables.

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                          Yeah but that's because you haven't folded JJ since 1984.

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                          • #14
                            Lol true dat

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                            • #15
                              Duce you are such a show off man

                              Cheers,

                              TC

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