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  • Bankroll builder

    Would like to take part please!

  • #2
    Welcome to PokerSchoolOnline! Be sure to read THIS just to be be sure of exactly what's on offer with the Bankroll Builder promotion. >>click here<< for a complete overview of what PSO has to offer. We will advise within 24 hours as to whether or not you will be eligible for this promotion. Please check back this time tomorrow! Thank you for being a member of www.pokerschoolonline.com and best of luck to you at the tables! John (JWK24) umbup:
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    • #3
      Hello oenomel71, You are eligible for the Bankroll Builder promotion, good job! NB: Bookmark this page so that you'll find it easily in the future First Step Watch the following video and pay special attention to the tips on retrieving and saving your hand history from PokerStars. This will be important for the rest of your promotional journey.
      After wacthing this please play some PLAY MONEY FULL-RING (9-Handed) tables at PokerStars and using the Hand Replayer post a hand here in this thread that you have questions about. Here is a video on how to use the hand replayer.
      Then when you have that done please have a go at the Poker Basic Course and pass the quiz at the end of the course. So you have 3 steps to do to begin with and when you have all 3 done we will award you with your first bonus. 1) Watch the 'Getting Started' video 2) Post a 'PLAY MONEY' hand here in the Forum using the Hand Replayer 3) Pass the Poker Basic course. Let us know as soon as you have all 3 steps completed. Best of Luck! flophitter umbup:

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      • #4
        Bankroll Builder feedback Have done all three steps - rather difficult to find a table that stayed 9-handed for very long, so only 6 players in this hand. Also found that Requests|Hand History... from the lobby consistently returns an email saying I have played 0 hands (do play money hands not count for that?), but as I now have it saving straight to hard drive that shouldn't be a problem. In this hand, I was thoroughly unsure how to handle a very weak speculative hand that came good - what to do with K2 suited pre-flop in the first place, and how to bet when it hit trips of 2s after the flop. The raise to 18 post-flop was a fairly random big bet - what's sensible in that position?

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        • #5
          Hi oenomel71, Thank you for posting this hand for review and I have asked one of the Hand Analysers to take a look at it for you. He will do this within the next 24 hours and once it's been analysed I will advise on the next step. Cheers! flophitter umbup:

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          • #6
            Hi oenomel71,

            I will be your Hand Analyzer for this post
            I think when you are starting out at poker it is a good idea to stay away from marginal spots. Here with K2s OTB, folding is a zero EV line. Which means when you fold, you will lose nothing since we don't have money invested in the pot.
            When we flop three of a kind, I think we should raise like you did for value against one pair hands and draws. I'd go for a standard 3x. I think we should bet the turn too to get value from weaker hands and charge draws. The river is kind of bad for us because now draws will not call if we bet and a six makes a better full house, but I think we can still go for a thin value bet from hands like 55/88/99 or get called by an Ace high if they think we are bluffing.

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            • #7
              Brilliant! You've done all 3 tasks and you'll get your first bonus in the next 24 hours, good job! Step Two Use your first buy-in to only play the 1/2 cent real money FULL RING tables on PokerStars. Do not play any other type of game other than this. Post one hand that you had difficulty with here in this thread using the hand replayer and we will analyze it for you. Please watch the following video and answer the question below. List 3 reasons why a player may want to make a big bet? Then study the Cash Game course and once your happy have a go at attempting the quiz. Don't rush through the course, there's a lot of content there and the quiz is tricky so spend some time on this. So you have 3 things to do to earn your next bonus. 1) Play the 1/2 cent Real Money tables and post an interesting hand here in the Forum using the Hand Replayer. 2) Watch the Bet Sizing video and answer the question below it. 3) Study and pass the Cash Game quiz. Let us know as soon as you have all 3 tasks complete and we will award you with your next buy-in. Best of Luck! flophitter umbup:

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              • #8
                Quick post to log answers to the video question.

                - To put pressure on opponents
                - To protect against strong draws
                - To get value from very strong hands

                Will be a while before I tackle the other two tasks - still gaining confidence at the play money tables, and not quite there yet.

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                • #9
                  Hi oenomel71, Just take your time and we look forward to hearing from you. flophitter umbup:

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                  • #10
                    Right, I think I've now done all three tasks successfully. Here's my problem hand, and I think I already know where I went wrong with it... I'd already observed that very few hands on the table were going to showdown. I let myself be seduced by two pairs on the flop and attacked the hand, but quickly got cold feet when the draws were so unhelpful - I guess I should have folded no later than the turn. I'm comfortable that folding to the show of strength on the river was probably correct however, even though it hurt with that much invested in the pot!
                    Last edited by oenomel71; Thu Oct 03, 2013, 09:42 PM.

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                    • #11
                      Hi oenomel71, Thank you for posting this hand for review and I have asked one of the Hand Analysers to take a look at it for you. He will do this within the next 24 hours and once it's been analysed I will advise on the next step. Cheers! flophitter umbup:

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                      • #12
                        Hi oenomel71! I'll analyse the hand in post #10.

                        The biggest problems with this hand are your bet-sizes and reluctance to fold, when villain repeatedly told you he had you beat.
                        Pre-flop, a standard raise with any hand is 3bb. With TT especially, you don't want multiple callers, as the flop will usually contain overcards. Since you'll rarely flop a set of trips, you'd prefer to be heads up, so that a continuation bet can be made to keep the pressure on your opponent. By minraising to 4c, you invite speculative hands into the pot. The villains don't just call, however. The button flat calls, but the big blind squeezes to 12c. At 2NL, villains don't squeeze light very often. I would expect this player to have a genuine monster in the range QQ+/AK. I would generally recommend a fold when you hold TT and get re-raised pre-flop, but since the pot is still quite small and it's likely to be 3-handed, you have some implied odds to win a whole stack, so can call in the hope you flop a set. If you miss the flop, then it's time to get out of there. As played, you call the raise, as does the button. The flop comes AAQ, which is a pretty bad flop for you. One of the opponents is likely to have a queen or an ace, if not AQ or even AA/QQ. I would check here and hope to get a free card. Instead, you minbet 2c into 37c. This bet has no purpose. No one is going to fold for that price, and it reopens the betting. The big blind check-raises and this is a sign of strength. Since he 3-bet pre-flop and now raised the flop, he almost certainly has you beat. He might even have quad aces. At worst he has KQ, but that still leaves you drawing to 2 outs. Fold now before the pot gets really big. Instead, you call and the turn comes the Jc. This is an interesting one, because it gives you both a gutshot and a flush draw. In fact, you have a royal flush draw. That being said, you only have 1 out to the stone cold nuts. Making a flush or straight will be no good if villain has a full house. Bizarrely after check-raising the flop, the villain checks the turn. This would usually mean he was making a weird bluff on the flop, or he has trips or a pair and is scared of the flush/straight, or he has an absolute monster and wants to check-raise again. Betting 2c into 57c is, again, pointless. Even if villain just had a random king or an underpair like 77, you're giving him the right price to call with his draw. Villain comes over the top with another check-raise. He's now raised your bets three times: pre-flop, on the flop and on the turn. You have 4th pair. How can that possibly be the best hand? You have to fold now, because villain will put you all in on the river, as your stack will be so small. Instead, you call and the river is another queen. Now villain has to have at least a full house. Your one pair is clearly no good, so you made the right fold, but a couple of streets too late.
                        Try and be more disciplined. The reason most real money hands don't go to showdown is because players recognise when they are beat. Making good folds is just as important as making good bets. If someone raises and re-raises you, it's usually because he's beating you. Recognise when your pair is likely to be no good, and make a fold before you lose your whole stack.

                        Hope this helps!

                        Cheers,
                        Arty
                        Last edited by ArtySmokesPS; Fri Oct 04, 2013, 09:55 PM.
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                        • #13
                          Absolutely loads of good advice in that analysis Arty, thank you. I think my major root problem in that hand was quite simply not recognising the flop as being a bad one for me. Another couple of hundred times and I suspect that lesson might sink in!

                          My understanding of bet sizing still needs a lot of work too, and I think that's something I can spend some time on, but it all stemmed from not spotting a bad flop.

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                          • #14
                            Hello oenomel71, Fantastic! Your second Bankroll Builder bonus is on it's way to you, great job so far. Watch this video that will help you on the cash game tables There are three ways in which you can earn your next bonus. 1) Earn 10 VPPs AFTER receiving your 2nd bonus and you will automatically be credited with your 3rd bonus. Let us know if you hit that target 2) If you lose your 2nd bonus at the tables please post the hands where you lost the money with here in this thread. As soon as you post the losing hands we will advise on the next step. 3) If you make a first deposit at PokerStars you will automatically be awarded your remaining bonuses from the Bankroll Builder promotion. Best of luck to you at the tables and we are here to help you should you have any questions. flophitter umbup:

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                            • #15
                              May I ask about another play money hand, outside of the Bankroll Builder promotion, in this thread? I think I've played a strong hand confidently thoughout, starting with AQs, improving to top pair top kicker with a draw to the nut flush on the flop, improving again to top two pairs on the turn. Even though a lot of the villains stuck with me throughout, was there anything at all I should have seen as an alarm bell to pull out of the hand (or at least go more cautiously)? Conversely, ought I to have been even more aggressive at any stage?

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