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  • #2
    Originally posted by noitnoix View Post
    I would like to participate in the bankroll builder promotion.
    Welcome to PokerSchoolOnline! Please read THIS just to be be sure of exactly what's on offer with the Bankroll Builder promotion. >>click here<< for a complete overview of what PSO has to offer. We will advise within 24 hours as to whether or not you will be eligible for this promotion. Please check back this time tomorrow! Thank you for being a member of www.pokerschoolonline.com and best of luck to you at the tables! Raiser umbup:

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    • #3
      Hi noitnoix, You are eligible for the Bankroll Builder promotion, good job! NB: Bookmark this page so that you'll find it easily in the future First Step Watch the following video and pay special attention to the tips on retrieving and saving your hand history from PokerStars. This will be important for the rest of your promotional journey.
      After wacthing this please play some PLAY MONEY FULL-RING (9-Handed) tables at PokerStars and using the Hand Replayer post a hand here in this thread that you have questions about. Here is a video on how to use the hand replayer.
      Then when you have that done please have a go at the Poker Basics Course and pass the quiz at the end of the course. So you have 3 steps to do to begin with and when you have all 3 done we will award you with your first bonus. 1) Watch the 'Getting Started' video 2) Post a 'PLAY MONEY' hand here in the Forum using the Hand Replayer 3) Pass the Poker Basic course. Let us know as soon as you have all 3 steps completed. Best of Luck! umbup:
      2 Time Bracelet Winner


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      • #4
        Hand Analysis - AK in MP against very loose players

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        • #5
          Thank you for posting this hand for review and I have asked one of the Hand Analysers to take a look at it for you.

          He will do this within the next 24 hours and once it's been analysed I will advise on the next step.

          Cheers.

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          • #6
            Hi noitnoix! I'll take a look at the hand in post #4.

            With AK in middle position, a standard raise of 3bb is appropriate. There's a call and then the small blind makes a re-raise (3-bet), which is called by the big blind. When the action gets back to you, I think calling is OK here. If I had good reads on the 3-bettor, I'd sometimes fold here (if he's very tight) because he's likely to have QQ+, but I'd re-raise (4-bet) if he was more loose-aggressive, because AK is likely to be ahead of his range, and it's best to regain the initiative. Calling is only OK because you have position on the raiser.
            As played you call and see a flop, which comes 974, 4-handed. Since the raiser doesn't make a c-bet, it seems likely that he doesn't have QQ+, as big overpairs are usually betting for value here. I'd sometimes check behind and hope to improve on the turn, but betting is fine too. Since you only have ace high and would like to take the pot down immediately (what I call a "dead money grab") you should make a bet that harnesses some "fold equity". A bet of half pot is required. Betting only 20 into 80 isn't really enough, as it gives a bargain price for drawing hands to call. You're 3-handed on the turn, which is a 5. The board is very wet now, with multiple possible straight draws. I think checking behind is probably best now, as you have less chance of both villains folding to a bet. You check it down and the river brings another 7. You could make a stab at the pot, but you actually have some showdown value here, as AK is the "nut air" on this board; the best hand that didn't make a pair.
            You check, and the original 3-bettor shows the same hand, which makes sense, and you chop the pot.

            Hope this helps!
            To get more tuition on cash game basics, I recommend going to live training sessions for the Wednesday and Saturday Games if you can. You'll even be able to play alongside other PSO members in the Homegame club and get instant feedback on the way you play your hands. Good luck!

            Cheers,
            Arty
            Last edited by ArtySmokesPS; Sat Jun 29, 2013, 08:45 PM.
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            • #7
              Thank you for your feedback. I had felt the initial reraiser and first caller had been rather loose aggressive for awhile so wasn't worried too much about the action from them in early position while I had AK in position. After the flop, I felt as I was sort of C-betting as everyone else checked to me and as I at least tried to show strength pre flop I wanted to assert my strength back into the hand, but I can see your point about giving them too good of odds to fold, even with nothing the 2 of them called and my plan there was to take a stab at taking the pot then since they were showing such weakness after the action pre flop. Thanks for the tips, they are well into consideration.

              I have passed the cash game quiz now and am eager to get started.
              Please let me know what else I can do to continue on with the promotion.

              Thanks,
              Barry

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              • #8
                Bankroll Builder Promotion

                Hello? I am still interested in learning how to earn and use the $8 promotion money to begin with Bankroll Building. You had said:
                To get MORE tuition on cash game basics, I recommend going to live training sessions
                I have not gotten ANY tuition so how do I go about getting MORE?
                You recommend going to the live training sessions, but not why, besides the obvious academic benefit, is that how you unlock the promotion money? By registering and attending the live training sessions?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by noitnoix View Post
                  I have not gotten ANY tuition so how do I go about getting MORE?
                  Sorry but I disagree with you here. There are 3 things that you need to do to earn your first $2 bonus. 1. Watch the Getting Started video above which you have done. This is tuition from a video we have provided for you. 2. Post a hand for analysis which you have done. One of our hand analysers has personally reviewed your hand and offered feedback on it. This is also tuition. 3. Pass the Poker Basic course. Have you done this? Remember that studying and passing the courses that we have provided for you here at the school is also tuition. Please let us know as soon as you pass the POKER BASIC QUIZ and we'll get your first bonus to you Cheers, Raiser umbup:

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                  • #10
                    3. Pass the Poker Basic course. Have you done this? Remember that studying and passing the courses that we have provided for you here at the school is also tuition.
                    Yes, I had already passed the Poker Basic course, to be sure I wasn't confused, perhaps you were talking about another quiz to another course, I clicked the link and it brings me to a page confirming I have already passed that quiz. I followed the course and took/passed the quiz prior to this promotion if perhaps that's the reason it's not showing up, idk.

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                    • #11
                      Excellent! You've done all 3 tasks and you'll get your first bonus in the next 24 hours, good job! Step Two Use your first buy-in to only play the 1/2 cent real money FULL RING tables on PokerStars. Do not play any other type of game other than this. Post one hand that you had difficulty with here in this thread using the hand replayer and we will analyze it for you. Please watch the following video and answer the question below. List 3 reasons why a player may want to make a big bet? Then study the Cash Game Course and once your happy have a go at attempting the quiz. Don't rush through the course, there's a lot of content there and the quiz is tricky so spend some time on this. So you have 3 things to do to earn your next bonus. 1) Play the 1/2 cent Real Money tables and post an interesting hand here in the Forum using the Hand Replayer. 2) Watch the Bet Sizing video and answer the question below it. 3) Study and pass the Cash Game quiz. Let us know as soon as you have all 3 tasks completed and we will award you with your next buy-in. Best of Luck! umbup:
                      2 Time Bracelet Winner


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                      • #12
                        QQ middle position, donk discovery Here I got pocket Q's in MP, I picked this hand because it seems to be a trouble hand in cash games and would like to know how I can play this situation better, in a tourney I'd have no problem shoving this pre flop midway into a tourney (probably not first hand of the tourney though). UTG min (.04) raises and action folds to me and I make it .10, after the fact I realize may have been better off to have made it .12, 3x the UTG raiser's bet, I don't remember the read I had on him but the min raise tells me he has something he'd like to see a flop for and knows that limping is a bad idea from that far out, perhaps it will influence a couple callers allowing for a cheap flop or it's a small enough bet that if he get's reraised he can back out of it OR I've been on the wrong end before of an UTG (not this one) limping or min raising intentionally hoping to get reraised to ensure they've gotten value out of their AA/KK. Anyhow, he calls and on the flop I see the card I don't want to see, an Ace, still, he checks to me and having been in position and the last aggressor I still think it warrants a C-bet, learning from my previous hand analysis post I bet half the pot to give him a tougher decision to call (grant it he doesn't have an Ace), I bet .12 into .23 which would make it .12 to call .35, which would make the pot odds 3:1 for him to call or he'd need better hand odds than 25% to call me, which he does, shit, he's got an Ace. Turn comes and he checks to me, I have no reason to believe he doesn't have an Ace, him checking tells me maybe he doesn't like his kicker, I don't feel it a good idea to bet again (even half the pot would be twice the previous bet) just to really confirm if he's got the Ace or not since I don't have very many ways to improve my queens. So I check behind, river comes, he checks, no sense in betting for value here, that could be exactly what he's doing holding the nuts figuring the only way he's going to get paid is if I bet, and if he is holding an Ace I doubt he's going to fold especially since who knows, the turn and river could have turned that crappy kicker into two pair. So I check it over and he turns over KJs, wtf rage face! I spend a few seconds in bewilderment and figure the best thing I can do for the situation is put a note on him that 1. he raised UTG with KJo 2. called a reraise with KJs from early position and 3. proceeded to call a flop bet with an over card and no draws (for himself). So did I play this well for the situation? How could I improve playing QQ from MP? How should I look at this villain moving forward? (after revealing a few more plays like this I think I'd label him a calling station and start looking to extract value out of him rather than checking down the turn/river)
                        Last edited by noitnoix; Fri Jul 05, 2013, 08:25 AM. Reason: Correction, he had KJs but that doesn't change much how I view this hand

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                        • #13
                          Bankroll Builder steps

                          1. Hand posted for analysis above
                          2. watched video and a player may want to make a big bet to
                          a. gain value out of strong hands
                          b. protect agains strong draws
                          c. bluff an opponent off a decent hand.
                          3. Cash Game quiz has been passed.

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                          • #14
                            Thank you for posting this hand for review and I have asked one of the Hand Analysers to take a look at it for you.
                            He will do this within the next 24 hours and once it's been analysed I will advise on the next step.

                            Cheers.
                            2 Time Bracelet Winner


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                            • #15
                              Hi again noitnoix! I'll take a look at the QQ hand in post #12 and see if there are any ways to improve your play.

                              A villain opens for a minraise UTG. While he could have a fairly weak hand (something like AJ, KQs or 88), some players are addicted to minraises whether they have a monster or something more marginal. Since this player opened UTG, I'd credit him with something pretty strong, just because of his position. When you wake up with QQ, it might initially seem like a good idea to re-raise (3-bet), but think about how villain will react. If he has a weak hand like KQs/99, a solid 3-bet may make him fold those hands. You don't want him to fold worse hands; you want them to give you some value. If he has a monster (KK+), then your 3-bet gives him the opportunity to come back with a 4-bet, and then you'll know you're in bad shape. In effect, when you 3-bet versus an EP raiser, you manipulate his range so he folds worse hands than yours and only continues with better ones. In position with QQ, facing an EP raise I'm nearly always flat-calling, not re-raising, because there is more value in keeping worse hands in the pot. There's more advice on what to do when facing a raise pre-flop on my blog.

                              As played, you only make it 10c to go. Although villain should still fold to this small raise if he has a medium strength hand like KQ/99, in practice he'll call because the price is too cheap. So he calls and the flop comes A92. Villains checks to the raiser and you make a continuation bet. I'd actually check behind here. If you consider villain's UTG raise and how it connects wth the flop, he either likes the flop (because he has something like AK/AQ/AJ) or he hates it (because he has JJ/TT, KQs etc). When you bet the flop, it's hard for you to get called by worse. It's usually only hands that made top pair that are calling.
                              The reason I would check is that hands like JJ-TT/KQ will then think "noitnoix doesn't have top pair, so I must have the best hand, or I at least have outs". You can then get value by betting the turn and river, because worse pairs than QQ will always call (or even bet out) when they think you don't have the ace. In this way, you can get two streets of value.
                              As played, you bet and villain calls. Now you're frozen. You can't bet the later streets, because it seems villain has the ace. It turns out that he basically had nothing, and he made a bad call on the flop with just king high. You ended up only getting one street of value, by betting the flop. If you'd checked the flop, I think you would be more likely to win some money on the turn and river instead.
                              This is my general plan with medium strength hands like second pair: If I can check in position on the flop, then I'll put money in the pot on the turn and river. If villain puts money in the pot on the later streets, that's more profit for me.

                              This villain played badly - and I'd be noting his tendencies - but I think you missed some value by betting the flop. Next time you have something like QQ on Axx, or KK on Axx, try checking behind on the flop and betting the turn and river instead.

                              Hope this helps! I'll look out for you in live training if you can make it.

                              Cheers,
                              Arty
                              Last edited by ArtySmokesPS; Sat Jul 06, 2013, 12:45 AM.
                              Bracelet Winner

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