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  • Is this cheating or not in PSO league?

    Well this january is my 1st serious PSO attempt to win something...

    I was watching a table until i saw this one player (at the moment he is in TOP 10 PSO open skill league points ranking), he keeps getting disconnected /reconnected many times... So i thou he is having a bad internet connection... So...

    So, i followed this guy for a few tourneys in 3 days in PSO tourneys, and he keep disconnected /reconnected at a certain limit such as when there are less than 3000 players left.

    Advantages:
    1. Everytime he disconnected or reconnected, he is getting 10 secs additional time multiple by around 4-6 times in just 1 hand!!!. That is 60 secs additional time. Normal player only get 10 secs additional time, before being auto fold.

    2. He is getting more points and $$$ by NOT playing poker but by just abusing the discon/recon 10secs!

    My points is, in this situation if I have 3000 chips left, while he got 1000 chips left, this is what will happen, if we both just wasting time till we blinded out, I WILL BE OUT SOONER THAN HIM, and he surely still playing. Becoz every 3 big blind i paid, he only pay 1 time due to manipulating the discon/recon time.

    Obviously he is using a program or poker script or something to make his card disconnect and reconnect in 10 secs very accurate continously.

    I have screen shoot showing his disconnected n reconnected for 2 diff tourneys in 2 different days... and i am getting FED UP looking at his strategy manupulating the 10 secs additional time to survive the tourneys.

    While all players have 10secs additinal time for every hand, he got 60secs for everyhand every time he did it. Very UNFAIR for real poker players.

    If ADMIN will say this is not cheating to win points in PSO, than i will also start using this guy strategy... Sooner or later everyone who want to win the PSO open league will start using it, and every table will be having diconnect/reconnect issue. LOL can u imagine that?
    Last edited by tonduluboy; Wed Jan 22, 2014, 12:23 PM.

  • #2
    Hello, PokerSchoolOnline have no control over how a player uses the PokerStars software. If you genuinely think this player is abusing the system you should send an email to support@pokerstars.com and they will have one of their security team investigate the matter and take any appropriate action necessary. Cheers, Raiser umbup: ***Moved to Skill League***

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    • #3
      Obviously he is abusing the system to win points, if you just follow him how he play u can see it clearly
      and as PSO admin you can give warning to him to stop doing it.

      Well i may just have to send pokerstars security email but by the time the they wanna check it, this guy may already won the PSO january month, n it is unfair for those who spend many many hours trying to compete fairly in PSO.

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      • #4
        Hello again, Unfortunately there is nothing that PokerSchoolOnline can do. How players use the software is a matter between PokerStars and each individual player. But by all means if you feel strongly about the situation please send PokerStars an email. Cheers, Raiser umbup:

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        • #5
          First of all it is not pure cheating, since anyone can disconnect and reconnect infinity times, but if that's fair or not to the game's integrity should be the real discussion.
          I think open league's point awarding system favors that kind of behavior and it's nothing new, from my experience people have been slow folding for a long time.
          Now disconnecting may seem a bit extreme, but in my opinion has no real difference than slow folding every hand.
          It's just one step further in order to get a higher edge compared to the field.
          I myself have been slow folding periodically and probably will continue doing it in the future, just because it is so much easier to get points that way.
          But I don't support slow folding, or in this case disconnecting, because no one who is doing it increases his/her skill on poker, which should be the main purpose of the skill league.
          Last edited by GamblingProp; Wed Jan 22, 2014, 01:57 PM.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by GamblingProp View Post
            But I don't support slow folding, or in this case disconnecting, because no one who is doing it increases his/her skill on poker, which should be the main purpose of the skill league.
            Why do you think 10-15 seconds for decision is a long time?
            You can play a few tables or even a few poker rooms at once, so I think this is up to your decision-you play less hands because of you hold them longer, so you have less chance to get the monster top hands due to the cards frequency.
            So you know you have to play strong other hands if you hit one of them, but you risk tournament ITM while you have no chance to win $es in real money tournament just not playing at all.

            PS OSL with its structure and negative points for finishing earlier determines other strategies than in usual poker tournaments and if someone wants play for top ranks there he have to adopt, because not playing at all to some level with something less than KK+ is more profitable than risking tournament life in first levels with AA, because of you get into multiway spots.

            There is no way to learn play poker just playing OSL only, because of it specific "payout" structure, so It does not matter for me if someone slowplays there, because simply this OSL is only something like side event and do not even care what is going on on those tables, while it is not even a freeroll where you can win real money while each of them is worth 10$/100000 = $0.01, and only hiting BigBang or Premier ticket is easy way to play this OSL

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            • #7
              i dont really care about the slow folding coz everyone doing it especially in the buble or any tourney when the $$$ is close.

              The problem is abusing the disconnect and reconnect 10secs, where u can get additional more minutes.
              Let say this guy using it 10 times in a tour, each time is 60secs, he will get additional "TIME BANK" for 10 minutes, where other players having same amount of chips already being blind out from the tourney.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by tonduluboy View Post
                i dont really care about the slow folding coz everyone doing it especially in the buble or any tourney when the $$$ is close. The problem is abusing the disconnect and reconnect 10secs, where u can get additional more minutes. Let say this guy using it 10 times in a tour, each time is 60secs, he will get additional "TIME BANK" for 10 minutes, where other players having same amount of chips already being blind out from the tourney.
                Thx for the tip......I will try itumbup: Cheers
                Poker Rule #1....Never listen to me...hiccup

                7 Time Bracelet Winner


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                • #9
                  Didn't read, but I've always suspected this - nice catch though fwiw.

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                  • #10
                    How do you purposely disconnect?

                    I often slow fold the OSL - using the allocated time and sometimes the added timebank - but I am old and slow, so that is pretty much how I play any game.

                    If I disconnect, which I have never purposely done, it takes so long to reconnect that probably a couple of orbits have passed in which I will have been sat out and automatically insta-folded by the software. So I don't think I ever gained any time advantage by being disconnected.

                    If it is possible to 'manage' the potential disconnection time advantage then that is worrying - because I don't know how to take advantage of that. Once I do, I will abuse it until they change the rules.

                    Nobody is doing anything that is not available to you or me to do too. It may not be the best poker players that win the league but they definitely have the smarts.

                    Ed
                    4 Time Bracelet Winner


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                    • #11

                      POST OF THE DAY AWARD never would ve thought of this, what a great idea, I knew about slow folding but geez never would ve thought of this one. Excellent catch!!! Well Done.....

                      This was meant as a slam against the stupidity of some peoples thought processes, wont be unplugged here
                      Last edited by CHILLI 2 U; Fri Jan 24, 2014, 06:41 AM.
                      2012 Double Bracelet Winner

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                      • #12
                        There is no need to slow play in PS OSL if you know you have best hand vs flippers with big stack because of they could not be able build such big stack at level IV - Aces full of Queens on flop-not so bad
                        Pre AI AQo flop fullhause >> big fish A6o @ PokerSchool Open Skill League - Level IV (50/100)

                        Maybe try finish in top 500-700 this month to try qualify for Premier or BigBang hit, but no time to play this OSL so far, but 1 week left so lets see what happends
                        Last edited by aspok123; Thu Jan 23, 2014, 12:12 PM.

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                        • #13
                          Hi everyone,

                          Great strategy. I tried this out after the first break in the OSL as I had a very small amount and no chance of reaching the top 1440 even with time banking, but using this strategy I finished just outside the top 1300. I did not win a single hand and made VITM! I know this can happen anyway but the table was not playing slowly so I was estimating a top 1600 finish if I did not win a hand.

                          I'm going to try this out in the next tournament from the start and let you know how it goes. Ed, Tarek, and sleepy, or anyone who looks at the simplified OSL thread, do you think this is a strategy that should be mentioned in that thread?

                          Best wishes,
                          Snufkin_P

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                          • #14
                            I would advise people to NOT pull the plug out of their routers. If someone reports you to Stars security team (as recommended by royalraise in post #2), there's a good chance you will receive a warning for breaking the rules. Repeated abuse of the rules - aka cheating - can lead to a loss of playing privileges. i.e. you'll get banned.
                            Last edited by TOO2COO; Fri Jan 24, 2014, 11:04 PM. Reason: Inappropriate expression
                            Bracelet Winner

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                            • #15
                              Further to my last post, some research has led me to believe that this does not work. I think that you may find that there is no way to do as described in post one of this thread. All I will say is that you definitely would not get 10 seconds for reconnecting continuously. However, it can be abused initially to gain 10 seconds and then, after a number of reconnections, the time is reduced to 1 or 2 seconds.

                              Whether this is cheating or not should be determined by PokerStars and it should be left to them to decide the punishment. I think, as Arty suggests, caution should be taken if using the strategy as the risk of being banned is possible.

                              Best wishes,
                              Snufkin_P

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