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  • Simplified 'OPEN LEAGUE' Strategy

    Take as few 'BIG losses' as possible
    Don't Bluff
    Play AA & KK ONLY till U R in positive points.
    Give careful attention to every hand but don't STALL***(using all your allotted time till u r timed out)
    Get the League calculator here http://www.pokerschoolonline.com/for...-for-June-2013 and KNOW where U R at from the beginning of the tourney
    You'll need to play at least 3 tournies a day and if only 3, know that many are playing 5-6 & ur at a great disadvantage
    sleepy

    ps: Did U know that EVERY ROUND 20+% of the players left will be 'history' ?
    ***OK, how do u justify using 6 seconds to fold 27 0ffsuit????
    easily, if u take the time to go over the winning holdings of players in the 1st hour, u will find many, many winners with 27o, 39o 47o, Q6o etc so don't feel bad "considering" playing these starting cards & 'considering' takes time
    Last edited by sleepyolman; Tue May 20, 2014, 07:55 PM.

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    yeah, thats why i design the calculator for that, to help me to know when I am in the positive score, then I can do some strategy adjustment for the game, first I play OSL is in May, and the first 9 days(I use 9 days to design the calculator), I feel I play the game blind.
    Double Bracelet Winner

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    • #3
      Sleepy , thanks for that , now everyone knows ! One thing tho ,how can you know at the beginning of the tourney where you need to get to ,to get + points. ( I thought the scoring system also worked on the field strength )

      Spartan

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      • #4
        Hi Spartan,
        1st, let me answer your question; 'Field Strength' doesn't affect your score very much.
        If you go to link in the post, d/l the calculator at https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B6ls...UyS1hDeHM/edit you will know in seconds EXACTLY where u stand, what your break-even score is, and what points are possible to get in that tourney. NOW, with that info, you can make intelligent decisions, always aware of how many points U can make or lose. I hope this helps & if you need help with the calculator, first go to the calculator thread http://www.pokerschoolonline.com/for...ulator-arrived & read what Sasha wrote (RTFM)
        sleepy


        Originally posted by Spartan642 View Post
        Sleepy , thanks for that , now everyone knows ! One thing tho ,how can you know at the beginning of the tourney where you need to get to ,to get + points. ( I thought the scoring system also worked on the field strength )

        Spartan

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        • #5
          Playing AA/KK to the strategy

          How would you recommend playing AA/KK in the following (common) scenarios?

          First ten minutes of the tourney..
          1. You have AA in early position. 4x open raise, maniac #1 (who has bingoed up 3x stack already and has your starting 1500 well covered), maniac #2 calls. Most likely a 7:3 favourite against their combined bingo ranges and facing a 10 point loss if we get eliminated.

          2. AdAs in the cutoff and 4x open to isolate (as if that's ever going) two early limpers, big blind calls, and the two limpers also.

          Flop Jh9h7c. Action: check, check, you bet 3/4 pot, limper 1 and BB call.. how do we go from here, over a third of your stack is in the middle going into the turn 3 handed.

          1 hour+ in..
          3. After waiting for AA/KK you have 8BB now, 300 players to go before you hit 0 scoring spots.
          Finally AA, but in early position, your table is manic/cally and 6 stacks behind have you covered with 35BB+ as they've got lucky in the bingo wars. Do you shove? Almost guaranteed to get 2 callers and be a 6:4 favourite, or fold and try to coast into the points/at least not lose any?

          4. 25BB stack AA on the BB, CO min. raises, Button flats. Both have you covered, 200 players to go before scoring starts..

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          • #6
            Hi tammielad! Here's the way I'd go about them... 1) I'm never 4x opening. I use 3x and lower to 2.5x at 100/200 blinds, then lower to 2. at 1k/2k. 2) see #1 - std raises and 4x is too much. In a league game, the ONLY time I'm pot-committed is if I have 1BB and am blinded in. If I have 1/3 or even 3/4 of my chips in.. I can always fold if I'm beat. The one and only thing that matters in these is to last as long as possible. Depending on the turn card, I may make a value bet, I may check/fold. 3) standard raise - depending on the blinds, I may open to 2.5BB, I may open to 2.2BB.. depends on the blind level. I'm not open-shoving. 4) standard raise to 3x the min-raise and will re-evaluate after the flop. Hope this helps and good luck at the tables.umbup: John (JWK24) P.S. I don't want to be all-in unless I'm sure that I'll have the best hand after all 5 cards on the board are shown. Just because I have the best hand after 2 cards doesn't mean I'll win the hand.
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            • #7
              Thanks for your thoughts John. Having played in a few of these and had a think about how the scoring works I have adjusted my game toward survival. I'm just trying to get a grip on how much of an equity edge I should pass up in order to avoid elimination in a single hand. I need to sit down and do some equity math but think it could be right to pass on a hell of a lot pre +ve scoring.

              Have I read you right in that you won't commit all your chips unless you have a lock?For example, KK on KhJh9c7h.., would you fold the turn to a check raise all in?

              I can see weak-tight is the correct approach, but constantly find myself short-stacked as the +ve points point approaches as bet-folding is expensive!

              Take your point about 4x opens early game, they achieve nothing. I already min/2. in the later rounds.

              Not sure you read #4 right we are 8BB facing a min raise and call, 3x and we're already committed?
              Last edited by tammielad; Wed Jul 31, 2013, 11:33 PM.

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              • #8
                Hi tammielad,
                Originally posted by tammielad View Post
                How would you recommend playing AA/KK in the following (common) scenarios?

                All this is really contingent on where U R & what part of the month etc but if at the beginning of month or whereever U R and only going to lose 10 points, get UR AA in there & hope for the best
                WTF, KK too. have some fun because it's not gonna be fun after U have played well & gotten to 2400-2500 and need to get to 1000 or 900 to break even. SO U C, until UR talking about losing so many points U can't easily recover them in the next tourney or so HAVE FUN. This is the open & U know u can get beat by 37o nearly every hand, Right ?
                There is an absolute ton of time to catch the leaders or become leader in the 3rd & 4th week of every open. After u have gotten to the 2400-2500 level i have another valuable piece of advice:
                TRY TO MAKE THE $$ BUBBLE
                those 3 points are great & u know there will be no great loss there

                NEVER UNDERESTIMATE
                THE POWER OF BLINDING OUT

                I believe what i have seen from the top players is enough to give U this advice; 1-2 points X 50 games is gonna really help
                sleepy






                First ten minutes of the tourney..
                1. You have AA in early position. 4x open raise, maniac #1 (who has bingoed up 3x stack already and has your starting 1500 well covered), maniac #2 calls. Most likely a 7:3 favourite against their combined bingo ranges and facing a 10 point loss if we get eliminated.

                2. AdAs in the cutoff and 4x open to isolate (as if that's ever going) two early limpers, big blind calls, and the two limpers also.

                Flop Jh9h7c. Action: check, check, you bet 3/4 pot, limper 1 and BB call.. how do we go from here, over a third of your stack is in the middle going into the turn 3 handed.

                1 hour+ in..
                3. After waiting for AA/KK you have 8BB now, 300 players to go before you hit 0 scoring spots.
                Finally AA, but in early position, your table is manic/cally and 6 stacks behind have you covered with 35BB+ as they've got lucky in the bingo wars. Do you shove? Almost guaranteed to get 2 callers and be a 6:4 favourite, or fold and try to coast into the points/at least not lose any?

                4. 25BB stack AA on the BB, CO min. raises, Button flats. Both have you covered, 200 players to go before scoring starts..

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by tammielad View Post
                  Not sure you read #4 right we are 8BB facing a min raise and call, 3x and we're already committed?
                  With a min raise, a std raise is to 6BB, so we're NOT committed. The only time I'm ever committed in a league game is if I'm blinded in.

                  John (JWK240
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                  • #10
                    OK thanks guys - I'm starting to get it.

                    A lot of "conventional" wisdom is to be ignored when playing in these.

                    Just put in a good 65 point (if I'm using the calculator right) performance by just refusing to play poker. Only played 2 hands post flop, letting myself blind down to 1.5BB..2.5BB a couple of times - getting lucky on my BB with forced all ins a couple of times - but would have made 12 points easily without the luck. The luck evened out on my last hand when I got it in with 66 4-way on the BB with 1.5BB to turn a boat and the river to double pair the board giving K3o a better boat (he really limped early position with that??. I reckon I could have survived the $bubble if that had held - ho hum.

                    I can see <10BB shoves aren't always a good idea, those 10BB can out last a lot of players with 5% of players crashing every minute.

                    "NEVER UNDERESTIMATE
                    THE POWER OF BLINDING OUT"

                    Amen!!

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                    • #11
                      As GP(grampex) & I were talking, he simply stated that every round of blinds in (& i think this applies to all rounds after the 1st or 2nd)the OPEN is going to lose 20-25% of its' remaining players so u can use that data with your calculator to make your decisions whether to go for it or not some tourneys are different & past #200 it also slows down again if i recall keep track of the %ages so you can accurately predict where you can go leep: sleepy leep: .................... mileypoker:
                      Last edited by sleepyolman; Thu Jan 02, 2014, 03:28 AM.

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                      • #12
                        I think 20-25% is a conservative estimate!

                        I noted the number of players left every minute in my last game in July (I know sad! But had to something while waiting for AA/KK )

                        37% gone in round 1, 35% in round 2. Round 3 onwards steadily falling from 26 to 20%. I died at 161st, but we were still losing 20%/orbit at that point.

                        I think this game had an especially high suicide rate, but the games I've seen since aren't far off.

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                        • #13
                          Sounds worse than playing DoNs.
                          I was considering playing in the leagues & just reading up on all the info. now (it's kinda staggering! .. need a tutor almost, LoL).

                          So... survival is key it seems.
                          So if I have noted players on the table are aware of this strategy (ones who are making calculations... maybe even using that calc.).. I should be agressing on them relentlessly... no? If they play back at me I can assuredly let my hand go.

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                          • #14
                            You can try, but someone will shove all in...and then another and then another. It's a risky strategy to try and steal a blind or 2. Best option is usually just to mark everyone who calls all in pre flop as a donk and then refuse to play against them. Let them donk each other out while you climb the board behind them. It doesn't matter if one of them gets lucky and wins the tourney because they won't do it twice and in the league rewards consistency far more than an outlier win. The trick is separating out whats good for your league standing versus whats good for your tourney standing, and then never valuing the latter over the former.

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                            • #15
                              wish I'd read these posts a couple of hours ago, was doing well with $48k (blinds were 1.5k/3k so had abt 28 deducting ante) in the BB had AQs, known 'all-inner' with rags tried to steal and I called. I was way ahead since he had QTo,and the race began. I was good right up until the river when a T popped out and put me down to less than 1BB... crashed out @ 188th place. Learnt my lesson now though.

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