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  • Play Money Challenge

    After discussing with Cairn we have decided to set up a play money challenge involving sets of 45 player 1k buy-in sng's to see who can come out with the most profit. The objective is to get some friendly competition going here along with a spark of motivation by being able to compare stats and results as we move through the set.

    The fine details have yet to be determined such as how many will be played and how the results will be recorded. Possibly a Moxie Pip style of recording and commenting as the games are played or the Cairn style with the battle of the planets scoring system. I will let Cairn decide what option will work best. If anybody else wants in on the challenge let us know in the thread!

  • #2
    This will be the post I record all of my results for a set. Hopefully we can keep the thread pretty clean for an easy read and comparability. I went ahead and played a few tonight after I got the green light from Cairn.

    Orbit #1

    #1 (30th out 45) for -1000
    #2 (12th out of 45) for -1000
    #3 (1st out of 45) for 13,175
    #4 (26th out of 45) for -1000
    #5 (11th out of 45) for -1000
    #6 (10th out of 45) for -1000
    #7 (16th out of 45) for -1000
    #8 (11th out of 45) for -1000
    #9 (9th out of 45) for -1000
    #10 (10th out of 45) for -1000
    #11 (11th out of 45) for -1000
    #12 (5th out of 45) for 1,835
    #13 (25th out of 45) for -1000
    #14 (9th out of 45) for -1000
    #15 (2nd out of 45) for 9,125
    #16 (15th out of 45) for -1000
    #17 (7th out of 45) for 620
    #18 (2nd out of 45) for 9,125
    #19 (43rd out of 45) for -1000
    #20 (39th out of 45) for -1000
    #21 (2nd out of 45) for 9,125
    #22 (6th out of 45) for 1,025
    #23 (4th out of 45) for 2,240
    #24 (8th out of 45) for -1000
    #25 (19th out of 45) for -1000
    #26 (16th out of 45) for -1000
    #27 (4th out of 45) for 2,240
    #28 (14th out of 45) for -1000
    #29 (14th out of 45) for -1000
    #30 (6th out of 45) for 1,025
    #31 (14th out of 45) for -1000
    #32 (11th out of 45) for -1000
    #33 (2nd out of 45) for 9,125
    #34 (28th out of 45) for -1000
    #35 (17th out of 45) for -1000
    #36 (21st out of 45) for -1000
    #37 (40th out of 45) for -1000
    #38 (41st out of 45) for -1000
    #39 (24th out of 45) for -1000
    #40 (10th out of 45) for -1000
    #41 (2nd out of 45) for 9,125
    #42 (1st out of 45) for 13,175
    #43 (17th out of 45) for -1000
    #44 (14th out of 45) for -1000
    #45 (14th out of 45) for -1000
    #46 (19th out of 45) for -1000
    #47 (5th out of 45) for 1,835
    #48 (1st out of 45) for 13,175
    #49 (19th out of 45) for -1000
    #50 (7th out of 45) for 620
    #51 (4th out of 45) for 2,240
    #52 (23rd out of 45) for -1000
    #53 (8th out of 45) for -1000
    #54 (6th out of 45) for 1,025
    #55 (29th out of 45) for -1000
    #56 (11th out of 45) for -1000
    #57 (1st out of 45) for 13,175
    #58 (22nd out of 45) for -1000
    #59 (19th out of 45) for -1000
    #60 (15th out of 45) for -1000
    #61 (17th out of 45) for -1000
    #62 (12th out of 45) for -1000
    #63 (10th out of 45) for -1000
    #64 (7th out of 45) for 620
    #65 (6th out of 45) for 1,025
    #66 (1st out of 45) for 13,175
    #67 (14th out of 45) for -1000
    #68 (17th out of 45) for -1000
    #69 (11th out of 45) for -1000
    #70 (14th out of 45) for -1000
    #71 (12th out of 45) for -1000
    #72 (14th out of 45) for -1000
    #73 (37th out of 45) for -1000
    #74 (16th out of 45) for -1000
    #75 (2nd out of 45) for 9,125
    #76 (16th out of 45) for -1000
    #77 (13th out of 45) for -1000
    #78 (9th out of 45) for -1000
    #79 (29th out of 45) for -1000
    #80 (6th out of 45) for 1,025
    #81 (4th out of 45) for 2,240
    #82 (35th out of 45) for -1000
    #83 (20th out of 45) for -1000
    #84 (15th out of 45) for -1000
    #85 (5th out of 45) for 1,835
    #86 (7th out of 45) for 620
    #87 (3rd out of 45) for 5,480
    #88 (16th out of 45) for -1000
    #89 (5th out of 45) for 1,835
    #90 (1st out of 45) for 13,175
    #91 (14th out of 45) for -1000
    #92 (15th out of 45) for -1000
    #93 (8th out of 45) for -1000
    #94 (31st out of 45) for -1000
    #95 (21st out of 45) for -1000
    #96 (20th out of 45) for -1000
    #97 (34th out of 45) for -1000
    #98 (31st out of 45) for -1000
    #99 (20th out of 45) for -1000
    #100 (7th out of 45) for 620


    Earnings: $94,805
    ROI: 94.81%


    After playing the first few I am very surprised at the bluffs that were occurring at each table. Even the final table of SNG #3 was full of big raise bluffs. A couple players bluffed off their stacks completely though they played pretty conservative the rest of the time as far as I could tell. I played pretty tight folding QQ when 3 other players went all in holding A8, 68, and 55. I would of won the massive pot but I am still getting a feel for the level of play in these low buy-in sng's.
    Last edited by Slip_Me_Aces; Mon Aug 05, 2013, 05:30 AM.

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    • #3
      Those of you who have read my earlier threads regarding card distributions will realize I'm a bit of a frustrated statistician. I'm going to compile the same material in this game as I did in the other games. (Hey, no moaning in the back seats!) However, I'll keep this thread relatively clean by holding off on those stats until I hit the hundred game mark.

      My first game and I need to rethink poker. It's been a while since I ran into the maniacs. In one hand the field went down to 39. My first playable hand, hand number 3, I get pocket aces. Two players go all-in before me, I called. One player had ace - seven suited, the other, queen - nine off suited, I giggled. Of course I've seen Lady Luck offer her horseshoe, so I wasn't cocky, just confident. The board didn't help anyone, which means I took out two. Seems like strong hands are top-two board cards paired, or better.

      Have not experienced this loose action since the 27-player $300+$20 games. I'm sticking to my usual style, which might be a wee bit too tight. There's a lot of games to play, so it is a definite learning curve. In this first tournament, I made the money. At the final table, our tourney leader sat out the rest of the game. He finished in fourth place and I just edged by him and into third.

      I'll post my record after my fifth game, or when I play as many as my challenger, whichever comes first.





      A special thanks for the challenge. I have a feeling poker would be a secondary activity without this inspiration.

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      • #4
        Ace-king killed the old hedgehog in game two. Paired both cards and another player is pushing hard. Rainbow flop and the third card gave no possible straight. Didn't put him on a set. Was right. A jack hit the board on the river. My inner voice said fold, but I didn't listen. He had queen-ten off suit and put me out. Have got to listen to that inner voice more often.

        Same combination killed me in game three. Went all-in pre flop with ace-king suited since I was the short
        stacked. Chip leader called with three-two suited, and same suit. He got the deuce on the flop and I went down in flames.

        Nine of nine isn't such a bad place on the final table. I need only outlast two instead of four to make the money. Sure, seventh is a small return, but it is a gain. Small gains can equal big money.


        Way too early to consider this a realistic indicator. Will need at least 25 games to do that.

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        • #5
          So here are my results:

          GAME 001 --- (03) ----- 06,480
          GAME 002 --- (34)
          GAME 003 --- (07) ----- 01,620
          GAME 004 --- (32)
          GAME 005 --- (02) ----- 10,125
          GAME 006 --- (05) ----- 02,835

          Earn ----- 21,060
          Cost ----- 06,000

          Net -------15,060 (ROI = 251)
          Last edited by Cairn Destop; Fri Jul 26, 2013, 07:39 AM. Reason: Updated through Game 6

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          • #6
            About halfway through play today it looked like all I was going to show and talk about is one big streak of final table bubbles. SNG #4 through #11 was a combination of being card dead at the most critical point of the game and calling a few too many big blinds to see if I could steal pots or hit flops.

            In SNG #15 I was able to wake up early on with AA vs KK vs QQ all in preflop. My hand held up and I took the chip lead for most of the game until the final table. The table played pretty tight and the chip leader sat out four handed. This allowed me to gather chips as a short stack but I fell heads up against a pretty loose cannon.

            I was disappointed in SNG #17 having went down to this hand on a big blind special. Still a cash with 7th place so not a complete loss.

            Dealt to Slip_Me_Aces [7c 5h]

            *** FLOP *** [7d Kc 5d]
            KB0VGX: bets 200
            Slip_Me_Aces: raises 4621 to 4821 and is all-in
            Bigdadynasty: folds
            NIGHTMARE732: calls 4821
            jtwg 123: folds
            KB0VGX: calls 2840 and is all-in
            *** TURN *** [7d Kc 5d] [Ah]
            *** RIVER *** [7d Kc 5d Ah] [9s]
            *** SHOW DOWN ***
            Slip_Me_Aces: shows [7c 5h] (two pair, Sevens and Fives)
            NIGHTMARE732: shows [6c 8c] (a straight, Five to Nine)
            KB0VGX: shows [As Kh] (two pair, Aces and Kings)

            Also in SNG #18 I was the short stack again at the final table. I found a couple big pocket pairs to double up and played carefully as there was two short stack sitters when the final table began. Somehow both sitters cashed as there were two bad beats that knocked players out in 8th and 9th. I kept hanging around, waiting, and picking my spots to gather chips. Getting heads up I had a chip lead at one point but was crippled with KJ vs A8.

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            • #7
              Game 4 --- short stacked after losing high pockets to a maniac. If the guy played, it was always all-in. Many times it was with nothing more than suited connectors. Needless to say, his stake bounced like a yo-yo. Unfortunately, I hit him on the upswing.

              Game 5 --- Got down to twelve players with me number twelve with less than $500. Chip leader eliminated five players making me seven of seven. The fellow played ATC poker and Lady Luck gave him the golden horseshoe. I kept holding on by winning a few hands, but never got above my initial stake. When it got to heads up, I had less than the BB. Needless to say, 7-2 off suit didn't win.

              Game 6 --- I know it's bad karma to just try making it to the money, but that's what I'm doing. Any profit beats a loss. Ubertight at FT, especially when you're nine-of-nine, has been a winning strategy. Of course having hands no higher than group six helps. My three FT wins came on high-card hands. How's that for power?

              I know it is still early to spot a pattern, but I have noticed that getting past hand 100 puts me in the money. The speed is a bit higher here too, averaging over 85 hands an hour. Time is still running close to, but under, two hours. I need a first place finish to see if games go over two hours.



              Will make my nest update either after my last game Sunday, or first thing Monday. As I said in a PM, my hat is off to you for doing multiple games. My desire to chat keeps me at one table. I tried multiple tables, but didn't enjoy it. I could do four in the cash games before Black Friday, but nobody ever talks, so you concentrate on the game, not the social aspect of the game.

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              • #8
                Thanks I have a tendency to get bored on just one table which causes me to play more hands then I should. I don't quickly get into another after I bust from one though its 3 per each session. I would rather play them all around the same levels then be just starting one, in the middle of the second, and the final table of a third. Thankfully these 45's fill up extremely quick.

                BTW you are off to a great start their Cairn. Having your 4th cash in only 6 sng's where it took me 17 sng's. It might be early but that is a pretty big difference!


                My first session today of SNG #19 and #20 consisted of two early bust outs. I flopped a pair of Aces and top kicker with AK but ran it into pocket 22 that had flopped a set. This rarely ever happens so I wasn't too upset about that situation. I then had K 10 in the SB where I flopped trip tens only to be busted out by a flush draw that completed on the river. In SNG #21 I hit a flush in a big three way pot early on to triple up. During heads up I got raised every hand without having any good cards and pushed back at the wrong time.

                The second session of SNG #22 through #24 I played short stacks in all three the entire time. This was a combination of being card dead and not being able to make bluffs as the small stack. I kept doubling through the big stacks because they were playing so loose but my luck ran out when I got AK vs 67 preflop to finish 6th in SNG #22 and A 10 vs Q 10 preflop to finish 4th in SNG #23.

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                • #9
                  Game 7 ----- Pocket queens goes all-in preflop as BB. Six players limped into the hand, but my bet eliminated all but one player. That player had pocket eights. Flop gave my opponent quads. Forty-six hands and the only three I won were as BB when everyone folded.

                  Game 8 ----- Lady Luck had a good laugh at my expense. I folded five consecutive hands that turned into full houses on the flop. Who bets 2-4 BB with 4-3 off, jack- deuce suited, 7-4 off, pocket 4, or 9-6 off? My other hands sucked sewer water. Fifty-two hands and just one win. Reality returns with a vengence.

                  Game 9 ----- Let my emotions blind me since I was card dead this game. Figured the other guy had the queen for the straight, but could not give up my two-pair hand. Can you say dumb-dumb hedgehog?

                  Game 10 ---- Pocket kings once, pocket queens twice, all three lost to a river with the other player holding ace-trash off suit. My prior ITM percentage was between 30 and 40 percent. It's holding here too.

                  Game 11 ---- Pocket aces lost to pocket tens when a ten hit the flop. Bad run here.

                  Game 12 ---- Pocket queens did it to me again. Went all-in pre flop since I was number 8 of 9. Got five callers. One player had pocket kings and he KO'ed us all. Eight doesn't pay

                  Game 13 ---- It's the weekend all-in slam-fest. Finally got something over group 6, a pair of eights. Flop was three kings and I went all-in. Other player had ace-queen. Turn and river were ace and queen.

                  Game 14 ---- Ace-king hit four times carrying me ITM. Lady Luck reclaimed her horseshoe and I didn't see anything higher than a ten until blinded out at fourth. I'm happy.

                  Game 15 ---- (yet to play)


                  So here are my results:

                  GAME 001 --- (03) ----- 06,480
                  GAME 002 --- (34)
                  GAME 003 --- (07) ----- 01,620
                  GAME 004 --- (32)
                  GAME 005 --- (02) ----- 10,125
                  GAME 006 --- (05) ----- 02,835
                  GAME 007 --- (15)
                  GAME 008 --- (13)
                  GAME 009 --- (18)
                  GAME 010 --- (30)
                  GAME 011 --- (24)
                  GAME 012 --- (08)
                  GAME 013 --- (14)
                  GAME 014 --- (04) ----- (03,240)
                  GAME 015 --- ()

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                  • #10
                    Game 15 ---- Card dead, winning just 3 hands in 105 dealt. Never went over 2K, but did make it to the money thanks to some super aggressive play by the others.

                    Game 16 ---- Ace-ten suited four times. Flop gives me a 4-card flush. Chased. Never hit one. My last hand? 4-card flush and open-ended straight. Didn't hit either one.

                    Game 17 ---- Aggressive bluffer, I called when he had a good hand. My two-pairs fell to his.

                    Game 18 ---- Started out as BB and folded crappy cards. Cards got worse. Blinded out.

                    Game 19 ---- Once again I make final table as nine of nine. Seven times I saw other players win with nothing more than high card, and big pots too. I need at least a pair. I hit a set of nines. Other player hit three sevens on the flop. Turn and river were both sevens. Last five games I won a total of ten hands. Got to do better.

                    Game 20 ---- Good news, bad news. I've avoided the bad hands by folding. Problem is, folding has been my best play. You don't win via folded hands. Zero hands won in sixty-two hands. My best was my last as I finally got an ace. Ace-queen suited in diamonds with four players. Board was three spade and two clubs. Winning hand? A pair of threes.





                    So here are my results:

                    GAME 001 --- (03) ----- 06,480
                    GAME 002 --- (34)
                    GAME 003 --- (07) ----- 01,620
                    GAME 004 --- (32)
                    GAME 005 --- (02) ----- 10,125
                    GAME 006 --- (05) ----- 02,835
                    GAME 007 --- (15)
                    GAME 008 --- (13)
                    GAME 009 --- (18)
                    GAME 010 --- (30)
                    GAME 011 --- (24)
                    GAME 012 --- (08)
                    GAME 013 --- (14)
                    GAME 014 --- (04) ----- 03,240
                    GAME 015 --- (06) ----- 02.025
                    GAME 016 --- (26)
                    GAME 017 --- (17)
                    GAME 018 --- (11)
                    GAME 019 --- (09)
                    GAME 020 --- (14)


                    Earn ----- 26,325
                    Cost ----- 20,000

                    Net -------6,325 (ROI = 31.6%)

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                    • #11
                      I actually got on a table with Cairn the other day. I think I went out 14th after blinding away my stack and he got unlucky in his game #9. I can't really say too much about the sit and go's I played during this time because well, there isn't much to say!

                      Last night I had probably the worst couple of sessions during SNG #34 through #39 I have had since the challenge started. I had extremely good cards and monsters such as AA and KK but either got the blinds with a raise preflop, was outflopped to a weaker hand when I played it slow, or got sucked out when we got it all in preflop. One of those nights you just examine your play, count your losses, and come back another day.

                      Tonight I played just one session but I feel like I played the best I possibly could. In SNG #40 (10th Place) I battled with a short stack all the way to the final table bubble when I ran 10 10 into J J. I never really had many good hands in this tournament but I was determined not to have an early bust out like the previous six I played. In SNG #41 (2nd Place) and #42 (1st Place) I finally survived some preflop sweats with big pocket pairs vs A high hands and seemed to take the small pots every time I made a bluff. I will share my last two hands of both tournaments. I may have been a bit aggressive here but the past four heads up matches I lost partly I think because of conservative play trying to avoid coin flips and blinding off my chips.

                      SNG #41

                      atm_depoists: posts small blind 400
                      Slip_Me_Aces: posts big blind 800
                      Dealt to Slip_Me_Aces [7d 8d]
                      atm_depoists: raises 800 to 1600
                      Slip_Me_Aces: calls 800
                      *** FLOP *** [Qd 7c 8c]
                      Slip_Me_Aces: checks
                      atm_depoists: bets 34762 and is all-in
                      Slip_Me_Aces: calls 29438 and is all-in
                      *** TURN *** [Qd 7c 8c] [5h]
                      *** RIVER *** [Qd 7c 8c 5h] [6d]
                      *** SHOW DOWN ***
                      Slip_Me_Aces: shows [7d 8d] (two pair, Eights and Sevens)
                      atm_depoists: shows [9h Qs] (a straight, Five to Nine)

                      SNG #42

                      Slip_Me_Aces: posts small blind 1000
                      TightJim: posts big blind 2000
                      *** HOLE CARDS ***
                      Dealt to Slip_Me_Aces [7s 8c]
                      Slip_Me_Aces: calls 1000
                      TightJim: raises 5000 to 7000
                      Slip_Me_Aces: calls 5000
                      *** FLOP *** [6d Kh 7d]
                      TightJim: bets 26176 and is all-in
                      Slip_Me_Aces: calls 26176
                      *** TURN *** [6d Kh 7d] [Qs]
                      *** RIVER *** [6d Kh 7d Qs] [Th]
                      *** SHOW DOWN ***
                      TightJim: shows [Ah 9d] (high card Ace)
                      Slip_Me_Aces: shows [7s 8c] (a pair of Sevens)
                      Last edited by Slip_Me_Aces; Mon Jul 29, 2013, 10:56 AM.

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                      • #12
                        Game 21 ---- I'm now twelve wins in seven games. Saw just two aces all game. Oh yes, both wins came as BB when everyone folded.

                        Game 22 ---- Pocket paired queens and jacks missed. No joy for me, great for others.

                        Game 23 ---- A money finish with a standard nine of nine FT. More wins this game than the prior seven combined.

                        Game 24 ---- Fewer hand, but a repeat of game 23. I can live with that.

                        Game 25 ---- Pre flop call of an all-in with pocket aces, other player had ten-nine suited. Flop gave him king high straight.

                        Game 26 ---- Had ace-high straight. Did not see the possible flush. Bye-bye hedgehog.

                        Game 27 ---- When you hit FT with less than $500 and still manage to make the money, that's good. Do it and win enough hands to eliminate three players, better. Missed second with the kicker. He had a nine, I had an eight.

                        Game 28 ---- Five wins in 112 hands, I feel luck to make the FT. After thirty minutes without paint, I get ace-queen as BB. The high card is a queen. One player calls my all-in with queen-nine off. Nine hits the river.





                        GAME 021 --- (16)
                        GAME 022 --- (08)
                        GAME 023 --- (04) ---- 03,240
                        GAME 024 --- (04) ---- 03,240
                        GAME 025 --- (40)
                        GAME 026 --- (26)
                        GAME 027 --- (03) ---- 06,480
                        GAME 028 --- (09)




                        The weekend is here and I'm hoping to get at least eight games done. I'm not doing too well in this challenge and I need to step up my aggression factor.

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                        • #13
                          Its been awhile but I have a pretty crazy one to share. I have been running pretty weird lately just trying to stay a little above even. Not only was SNG #87 the first 3rd place I made but its also the first one I cashed in by winning just one hand. I was dealt AK first hand and decided to take the risk because I know there are some that don't take these games seriously. I won the 6,000 pot but I got absolutely destroyed the rest of the game up to the FT. In that time (which was 107 hands) we had made it down to 6 players and I had 700+ chips left. I then finally won some pots and got down to 3 handed when I had A7 vs. Q2 preflop in a 22k pot to get heads up but he hit a 2 on the flop to win. I guess that shows that even if your running horrible it can change in an instant.

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                          • #14
                            Talk about a disaster. In seven games, I lost every showdown. I did not win an uncontested hand in eight games. Five games had zero wins. That's the bad. The good news is coming out profit.

                            My record for the latest 20-game block.

                            GAME 021 --- (16)
                            GAME 022 --- (08)
                            GAME 023 --- (04) ---- 03,240
                            GAME 024 --- (04) ---- 03,240
                            GAME 025 --- (40)
                            GAME 026 --- (26)
                            GAME 027 --- (03) ---- 06,480
                            GAME 028 --- (09)
                            GAME 029 --- (10)
                            GAME 030 --- (06) ---- 02,025
                            GAME 031 --- (17)
                            GAME 032 --- (03) ---- 06,480
                            GAME 033 --- (06) ---- 02,025
                            GAME 034 --- (08)
                            GAME 035 --- (17)
                            GAME 036 --- (38)
                            GAME 037 --- (03) ---- 06,480
                            GAME 038 --- (19)
                            GAME 039 --- (13)
                            GAME 040 --- (37)



                            Paid ---- $56,295
                            Cost ---- $40,000

                            Net ----- $16,295

                            ROI ----- 40.74%



                            Game summaries:

                            Game 29 ---- Pocket queens let me down. Didn't think the guy had the flush. Had an open-ended straight. I was right about my opponent not having the flush. However, he had king-four off and his pair of kings beat me.

                            Game 30 ---- Making the money is more luck when you're nine-of-nine and under $300. Pocket kings gave me a huge win and I outlasted a super aggressive big stick that lost everything in three hands.

                            Game 31 ---- Getting out kickered. Five showdowns without a win thanks to the river.

                            Game 32 ---- Ace-anything suited when in the BB hit every time. Made FT as number 4 and finished in third.

                            Game 33 ---- Last game put me in the black for this 20-game block. A royal and quads took me from 27 of 27 into the money. Good thing too as the river was a real (censored).

                            Game 34 ---- Card dead most of the game, so I'm pleased by my effort. Forced all-in with jack-three off suited. I did hit the three on the river, but one of the four callers had pocket tens.

                            Game 35 ---- Trip kings with a queen kicker lost to an ace kicker.

                            Game 36 ---- Pocket queens gets four callers pre flop. Best hand against me was ten-nine suited. All four split the pot with a 6 to ten straight when the board filled their runs. I'm still suffering from shock.

                            Game 37 ---- Patience. Three players sat out the FT. I had $2K more than any of them. Folded a few top tens, but I stuck to my plan. One sit-out made the money, coming in seventh.

                            Game 38 ---- Zero wins in thirty-six hands. Played one hand, other than a BB checked to the river. Lost both at showdown. Jack-high straight fell to a queen high in both cases.

                            Game 39 ---- My best play? Folding. Forced all-in with trash. Only hands played were the BB.

                            Game 40 ---- King high flush losses to ace high. Can you say ouch?





                            I'm still looking for that elusive first place finish. My next report will come late Friday. I'm hoping to do 20 games per week. I'm even inspired to go for 2,000 games. Promise, no stat report until the hundred games ends, and even then, I might not post as it doesn't inspire anyone else to do the same.

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                            • #15
                              I just finished up with my orbit tonight. I pretty much crawled to the finish after suffering some horrible bad beats in my last few. After reviewing my results I can't complain too much because I felt like I gave it 100% all the way through. I am eager to see how are orbits compare when you get closer to the end Cairn. Right now I think I will take a break to let you get in some more games. As much as I like to play I do not want to keep widening the gap on our differences. umbup:

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