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    Well, so I've been playing poker for little over a year now, with mixed results return-wise ($). It's hard to know for sure because I don't really keep records. Mostly I just know that my bankroll's been boomeranging between $50 and $100 the last six months, which is what's tended to show up on the tracking sites. Here's a graph for my last 100 Sit 'n Go's: More zig-zags than Missoni For Target! The one bright spot was with when I was playing $1.50 full-ring turbo Sit-n-gos ... it's the part of the graph that looks like a cat head (in-between the two ears) - such a small sample size, but it seemed like I was doing okay. So those are the games I'm going to try to play for Cowboy's Challenge. I got impatient and tried moving up a level to the $3.50 full-ring turbo SNG's and totally tanked - it's the right-side of the 'cat face' in the graph. Hard to believe just one level would make that much of a difference, but it seemed like everybody at the higher level excelled at playing the patience game, whereas at the lower level my lack of patience wasn't so pronounced? I still feel kind of clumsy and awkward at times playing these things - like I'm not always sure what to do. But I guess what with all the great resources in the video library, and everybody's helpful tips, it might be enough to do okay So here's my progress so far: Starting Bankroll: $37.50 ( 25 x $1.50 ) Oct 1 ............... 9/9..................-$1.50.....................$0.00................$36 .00 Oct 1.................4/9..................-$1.50.................... $0.00................$34.50 Oct 2.................2/9..................-$1.50...................+$3.56................$38. 06 Oct 2.................8/9..................-$1.50.....................$0.00................$36 .56 Oct 2.................1/9..................-$1.50...................+$5.95................$42. 51 Oct 2.................5/9..................-$1.50.....................$0.00................$41 .01 Oct 2.................9/9..................-$1.50.....................$0.00................$38 .51 Oct 2.................3/9..................-$1.50...................+$2.37................$40. 88 Oct 2.................5/9..................-$1.50.....................$0.00................$39 .38 Oct 6.................7/9..................-$1.50.....................$0.00................$37 .88 Oct 6.................1/9..................-$1.50...................+$5.95................$43. 83 (Will have to add the game numbers and check the numbers later umbup: ) Gonna try to keep watching more videos from the library as I go, so hopefully I'll be able to do a little better than just break even. Will see how it goes ...
    Last edited by TrustySam; Fri Oct 07, 2011, 04:43 AM.

  • #2
    keeping it in the green is always good sam!!

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    • #3
      Nice Job Sam! umbup:

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      • #4
        Thx everybody! Had to stop myself at the 3.50 level before I ended up like that guy from the Sunday Million
        Last edited by TrustySam; Fri Oct 07, 2011, 03:38 AM.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Moxie Pip View Post
          Sam were you to take on this challenge I know that you could beat it. Like a drum would be my guess. THEN make your MTT excursions fit within the parameters of the monies won from the challenge. See? If you find a game,or games, that you know that you can beat--"go-to" games as I call them and then fit your other plays to fit inside of the bubble of monies won in those games then you will never be an unprofitable player as long as you continue to follow that discipline. If you run a little "off" in the money making games then dial down your other plays accordingly,either by buy-in level or frequency of play. That's what worked for me anyway. I knew I could beat the .25 45 and 90 man SNG's (was roughly +35% ROI in them) and used what I won there to pay for my MTT excursions (higher variance in these of course) and my ring table plays (just plain suck-ass break even donk in those to be brutally honest). Said it before,say it again. Make a battle plan that works FOR YOU. Then follow it and make adjustments when necessary. Why do I think you could beat the challenge? Just from reading posts you've made in the HA and other sections I know that you are easily way ahead at least 80% of the players in these. Remember don't try to beat the donks,make the donks try to beat you. Play nitty early,try to get to the bubble (I define the bubble as 12 players left in the 45 mans and 18 left in the 90 mans personally) every time and then take advantage of the weak,exploitable players. They should be readily apparent by this time.
          Arrrghhh ... my internet's been down Anyhoo, thanks for the encouragement Moxie I had the funniest hand the other day ... okay like I know I have it in me to be patient, since I've learned through PSO to not play with a VPIP higher than 6 But it doesn't come naturally, so I thought I'd try to resist temptation to play early on by reading People Magazine online, and then only play premium hands. But then the table popped up and well ... look at what happened: Disaster with the accidental 3bet of 92o! But how interesting to see that I was up against QTo (min-raising utg short-stacked, and then calling my weird 3bet). I guess it's like you said ... it did kind of make me feel like yeah, just maybe it might be possible to do okay with these sit n gos (that surfing the net I guess wasn't such a hot idea will just have to try harder to be patient ). 35% ROI's incredible! I'm gonna give it my best shot and see how it goes ... any sort of +% ROI would be pretty sweet haha PS I haven't been playing mtt's too much - I got a free $33 WCOOP satty ticket for making a deposit, and then Stars had that Silver Star 'sale' where they lowered the bar and made it easier to get FPPs (that I then used to play satellites to the big $2.20). And then I accidentally signed up for a satty to SCOOP when I was nosing around and won a ticket. So my MTT graph looks atrocious! LOL! But in reality, combined with my PSO winnings, I haven't had to deposit to keep playing, which has been nice (I did the deposit to get the free ticket, but I haven't really used the extra money sort of a deal). Thank goodness for PSO! I think I read somewhere that MTT's aren't a good way to build a bankroll, eh?
          Last edited by TrustySam; Fri Oct 07, 2011, 04:38 AM.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by TrustySam View Post
            Well, so I've been playing poker for little over a year now, with mixed results return-wise ($). It's hard to know for sure because I don't really keep records. Mostly I just know that my bankroll's been boomeranging between $50 and $100 the last six months, which is what's tended to show up on the tracking sites. Here's a graph for my last 100 Sit 'n Go's: More zig-zags than Missoni For Target! The one bright spot was with when I was playing $1.50 full-ring turbo Sit-n-gos ... it's the part of the graph that looks like a cat head (in-between the two ears) - such a small sample size, but it seemed like I was doing okay. So those are the games I'm going to try to play for Cowboy's Challenge. I got impatient and tried moving up a level to the $3.50 full-ring turbo SNG's and totally tanked - it's the right-side of the 'cat face' in the graph. Hard to believe just one level would make that much of a difference, but it seemed like everybody at the higher level excelled at playing the patience game, whereas at the lower level my lack of patience wasn't so pronounced? I still feel kind of clumsy and awkward at times playing these things - like I'm not always sure what to do. But I guess what with all the great resources in the video library, and everybody's helpful tips, it might be enough to do okay So here's my progress so far: Starting Bankroll: $37.50 ( 25 x $1.50 ) Nov 1 ............... 9/9..................-$1.50.....................$0.00................$36 .00 Nov 1.................4/9..................-$1.50.................... $0.00................$34.50 Nov 2.................2/9..................-$1.50...................+$3.56................$38. 06 Nov 2.................8/9..................-$1.50.....................$0.00................$36 .56 Nov 2.................1/9..................-$1.50...................+$5.95................$42. 51 Nov 2.................5/9..................-$1.50.....................$0.00................$41 .01 Nov 2.................9/9..................-$1.50.....................$0.00................$38 .51 Nov 2.................3/9..................-$1.50...................+$2.37................$40. 88 Nov 2.................5/9..................-$1.50.....................$0.00................$39 .38 Nov 6.................7/9..................-$1.50.....................$0.00................$37 .88 Nov 6.................1/9..................-$1.50...................+$5.95................$43. 83 (Will have to add the game numbers and check the numbers later umbup: ) Gonna try to keep watching more videos from the library as I go, so hopefully I'll be able to do a little better than just break even. Will see how it goes ...
            Just out of curiosity are these results from 2010 as Nov isn't here yet! I J S . Gidee Up!

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            • #7
              haha - oops! I was copying your example on how to show the data, and forgot to change the month (gonna go fix it now! umbup

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              • #8
                Originally posted by TrustySam View Post
                Arrrghhh ... my internet's been down Anyhoo, thanks for the encouragement Moxie I had the funniest hand the other day ... okay like I know I have it in me to be patient, since I've learned through PSO to not play with a VPIP higher than 6 But it doesn't come naturally, so I thought I'd try to resist temptation to play early on by reading People Magazine online, and then only play premium hands. But then the table popped up and well ... look at what happened: Disaster with the accidental 3bet of 92o! But how interesting to see that I was up against QTo (min-raising utg short-stacked, and then calling my weird 3bet). It made me feel like yeah, just maybe it might be possible to do okay with these sit n gos (if I can resist surfing the net in between :tongue). 35% ROI's incredible! I'm gonna give it my best shot and see how it goes ... any sort of +% ROI would be pretty sweet haha PS I haven't been playing mtt's too much - I got a free $33 WCOOP satty ticket for making a deposit, and then Stars had that Silver Star 'sale' where they lowered the bar and made it easier to get FPPs (that I then used to play satellites to the big $2.20). And then I accidentally signed up for a satty to SCOOP when I was nosing around and won a ticket. So my MTT graph looks atrocious! LOL! But in reality, combined with my PSO winnings, I haven't had to deposit to keep playing, which has been nice (I did the deposit to get the free ticket, but I haven't really used the extra money sort of a deal). Thank goodness for PSO! I think I read somewhere that MTT's aren't a good way to build a bankroll, eh?
                You realize of course than in some European PSO forum you're being called a donk in their Bad Beat section right now ya? umbup: Wasn't implying that you were playing MTT's too much sorry if that's the way it read. What I AM trying to say is that if you can find a game at each level as you go along (or more than one,search around and do a little research into what's available to you at each level...) then you can work that game to build your roll and use some of the funds to bankroll your plays in higher variance formats,i.e. the MTT's. I wouldn't want to depend solely on MTT's to build a BR no,but the flip side is that MTT's are the place to be to SPIKE a BR. SNG's and rings is where you can grind up in increments,MTT's are where you can occasionally pop off a score in relation to your bankroll.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by 19honu62 View Post
                  Just out of curiosity are these results from 2010 as Nov isn't here yet! I J S .

                  Gidee Up!


                  If she's THAT prescient I sure as Hell don't want to table with her....

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Moxie Pip View Post
                    You realize of course than in some European PSO forum you're being called a donk in their Bad Beat section right now ya? umbup: Wasn't implying that you were playing MTT's too much sorry if that's the way it read. What I AM trying to say is that if you can find a game at each level as you go along (or more than one,search around and do a little research into what's available to you at each level...) then you can work that game to build your roll and use some of the funds to bankroll your plays in higher variance formats,i.e. the MTT's. I wouldn't want to depend solely on MTT's to build a BR no,but the flip side is that MTT's are the place to be to SPIKE a BR. SNG's and rings is where you can grind up in increments,MTT's are where you can occasionally pop off a score in relation to your bankroll.
                    (well, much deserved ) Now that you mention it, I do remember you mentioning that plan before - probably because I got bogged down trying to accomplish step 1 (building a bankroll by playing STT's) and yet was still playing MTT's for fun, rather than having them be fully funded by STT profits. And you were pointing out how having that luxury of knowing the tourneys are funded tends to give one more freedom to play for the big bucks when playing the MTT's rather than stress out about min-cashes, knowing it's not going to make or break one's bankroll since that'll never be on the line with them being fully funded by STT profits. That's some genius strategy there umbup: Another benefit of Cowboy's challenge is that it ought to keep me busy so I don't go wandering off to test my luck on MTT's It would be really nice to be able to play them knowing they're funded like that ... I think I can wait
                    Last edited by TrustySam; Fri Oct 07, 2011, 04:57 AM.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Moxie Pip View Post
                      If she's THAT prescient I sure as Hell don't want to table with her....
                      ya, no such luck haha!

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                      • #12
                        wow good job umbup:
                        2 Time Bracelet Winner


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                        • #13
                          thx pokerstar!

                          I'm a lot happier now that I've moved back down to the entry level - just couldn't seem to do anything right at the next level up ... got so frustrating!

                          So here's the latest ... things seem to be coming along with the patience. I used to call a lot of short-stack shoves - got so tempted by the promise of getting one step closer to the money and the chance to make more chips without any risk of busting. But that rarely seemed to work out the way I would hope So I've tightened up my calling range (and loosened up my shoving range to compensate) and that seems to have make some difference. Still feels like there's room for improvement though because I bubbled twice this morning, and I'm kind of feeling like maybe I should have been able to make the money with those, I'm not sure. Will keep at it and see how it goes ... at least I'm not in the negative ... yet! Fingers crossed things continue to go okay!


                          Starting Bankroll: $37.50 ( 25 x $1.50 )
                          (Carryover from before: $43.83)

                          Oct 7.................5/9..................-$1.50.....................$0.00................$42 .33
                          Oct 8.................8/9..................-$1.50.....................$0.00................$40 .83
                          Oct 8.................1/9..................-$1.50...................+$5.95................$46. 78
                          Oct 8.................4/9..................-$1.50.....................$0.00................$45 .28
                          Oct 8.................1/9..................-$1.50...................+$5.95................$51. 23
                          Oct 8.................4/9..................-$1.50.....................$0.00................$49 .73

                          (17 games?)

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by TrustySam View Post
                            Still feels like there's room for improvement though because I bubbled twice this morning, and I'm kind of feeling like maybe I should have been able to make the money with those, I'm not sure. Will keep at it and see how it goes ... at least I'm not in the negative ... yet! Fingers crossed things continue to go okay!
                            Ahhhh ... well, as many of you who have been playing poker for some time now I'm sure can relate to, after my decent run, I hit that dreaded rough patch of variance that turns everything upside down. You just know it's coming LOL ... and sure enough I won't go into details, because everybody knows the deal - we all have those times where we're card dead, lose to the craziest hands, or get great hands and run into greater. It does get me thinking about poker and profitability though ... the whole thing of, what is it that the people who are turning a profit are doing, and how close/far am I to that? It gets hard to discern to what degree my wins are because of good luck or good play, and to what degree my losses are because of bad luck or bad play. You hear stories about Annette Obrestad winning tournaments without even looking at her cards, based solely on position and reading people, and then I start to wonder whether the cards should even matter? Well, it's interesting to be able to keep track of all this, the good, the bad, and the ugly, since the variance is part of the game. I'm going to keep playing for a bit and see how it goes ... I feel like there's lessons to be learned in playing these turbos, because the push/fold phase is very similar to late tournament play for MTT's, so like maybe there's value in continuing to practice alongside people who are doing well with that format, even if they're doing better than me (and are kicking my ... ) I might start checking out the stats of the other players at my table to see who's profitable, and then watch what they do, how they play, a little more closely to see if I can pick up any tips. Last week I managed to play 20 games, so I got points for the Batte of the Planets Mercury division - for the block of 20 that I played I ranked 5970th ... that's a lot of regulars, even at the beginner level! Hopefully I'll be able to pick up some ideas from watching some of them in action umbup: Starting Bankroll: $37.50 ( 25 x $1.50 ) (Carryover from before: $49.73) Oct 8.................9/9..................-$1.50.....................$0.00................$48 .23 Oct 8.................3/9..................-$1.50...................+$2.37................$50. 60 Oct 8.................5/9..................-$1.50.....................$0.00................$49 .10 Oct 8.................5/9..................-$1.50.....................$0.00................$47 .60 Oct 8.................7/9..................-$1.50.....................$0.00................$46 .10 Oct 8.................2/9..................-$1.50...................+$3.56................$49. 66 Oct 8.................7/9..................-$1.50.....................$0.00................$48 .06 Oct 8.................4/9..................-$1.50.....................$0.00................$46 .56 Oct 8.................6/9..................-$1.50.....................$0.00................$45 .06 Oct 9.................4/9..................-$1.50.....................$0.00................$43 .56 Oct 9.................5/9..................-$1.50.....................$0.00................$42 .06 Oct 9.................9/9..................-$1.50.....................$0.00................$40 .56 (29 games ... wow, I'm still up $3.06! Is my math right? )
                            Last edited by TrustySam; Mon Oct 10, 2011, 01:23 AM.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by TrustySam View Post
                              Is my math right?[/COLOR]
                              omg, I knew something felt wrong with my record-keeping - I downloaded a free SNG record keeper from cnet.com called 'Poker Tourney Tracker' which does the accounting when you type in the data, and I've been in the red for a while now - yikes! Here's the summary: Games played: 54 Total Buy-Ins: ($ 83.00) Total Gains: $ 66.89 Net Gains: ($ 16.11) In The Money: 27.8% ITM Return On Investment: - 19.4% ROI Hourly: ($ 0.31) ITM from Bubble: 57.7% 1st: 5 2nd: 5 3rd: 6 4th: 10 5th: 11 6th: 2 7th: 6 8th: 2 9th: 7 I'd add the results for my games, but there's not that much to see except -$1.50 LOL. Was hoping to have good news to share, like maybe it wasn't going to be that hard to turn a profit. But that's hasn't been the case, alas It's felt like it's been 50%+/- losing coin flips, running into better hands, or getting sucked out. With that other 50%+/- being me maybe getting a little too panicky on the bubble when the blinds start to get high, and a little too eager/anxious to make the money that I feel like I need to do something, rather than just hurry up and wait? I don't know ... I guess now that I think about it, I haven't had that much practice with the push/fold phase - because in PSO, what with points being so important, so often it's more advantageous to blind out in the hopes of making ITM rather than try to double up in hopes of making it far. So maybe it's to be expected that mastering the push/fold late/stage will take some time and practice, eh? So now I'm not sure what's the best course of action - I really wanted to see this challenge through, but in light of the fact that I'm not even exactly sure what I'm doing wrong, would it be good bankroll management to continue? On the positive side, I've been raking up VPP's and should easily make 150 by the end of the month - so I'll be eligible for the larger prize in PSSL next month, and if I put the time in, hopefully I'll be able to make another $20 next month. So I'll have the bankroll to give it another try at a later date Maybe instead of playing the remaining 46 SNG's I'll try to watch 46 vids on SNG's from the library instead And if I run out of vids, I'll try to find 46 articles on push/fold and bubble play umbup: Still committed to making a go of things - just a minor course-correction I guess
                              Last edited by TrustySam; Wed Oct 12, 2011, 11:30 PM.

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