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  • Now This Is A Proper Bad Beat

    I was watching 4 tables the MicroMillions replays and I couldn't believe that this happened. The guy was poised to lock up an extra $2k+ but of course.... This would definitely make me quit online poker for good, so so sick. The hand in the WCOOP AA vs AA where the guy rivered a flush was also a sick beat too

  • #2
    Cooler? Bad beat? No way. With 9 and 12 BB no one made a mistake. No mistakes means no bad beats.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by TrumpinJoe View Post
      Cooler? Bad beat? No way. With 9 and 12 BB no one made a mistake. No mistakes means no bad beats.
      I 100% agree!umbup: John (JWK24)
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      6 Time Bracelet Winner


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      • #4
        I think you have to have both of your Hole Cards used, and be at least quad eights and be beaten, to qualify for a bad beat.

        But then again, I could be wrong.

        3 Time Bracelet Winner


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        • #5
          It might not be a bad beat, but for sure it's a brutal run out, and a 1 outer. Sometimes lucky wins.

          Bracelet Winner


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          • #6
            Originally posted by TrumpinJoe View Post
            Cooler? Bad beat? No way. With 9 and 12 BB no one made a mistake. No mistakes means no bad beats.
            Thats how the structure was, its a hyper turbo . So I bet you would say AA vs AA deep stacks getting it all in and one person losing is not a bad beat losing too right? Lol then you guys really dont know the definition

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            • #7
              Originally posted by TrumpinJoe View Post
              Cooler? Bad beat? No way. With 9 and 12 BB no one made a mistake. No mistakes means no bad beats.
              Originally posted by JWK24 View Post
              I 100% agree!umbup: John (JWK24)
              Originally posted by Killeraxa89 View Post
              Thats how the structure was, its a hyper turbo . So I bet you would say AA vs AA deep stacks getting it all in and one person losing is not a bad beat losing too right? Lol then you guys really dont know the definition
              Well sure as Hell they don't know YOUR definition of one. You seriously need to get past this obsession,it's POKER,period. Had the money gone in on the flop or turn,then yeah,THAT would be a bad beat. As sick a run out as this was,given the stack sizes,no one,as Joe and John already said,put a wrong foot forward here. And you use the "it was a hyper-turbo" to justify your position? You're kidding,right? Just the very nature of hypers (almost all action is push/fold pre-flop...little or no post flop play due to lack of depth) guarantees that beats like this will be much,much more prevalent. Worrying about sick beats and wild variance swings whilst playing hypers is akin to being a competitive swimmer and worrying about getting wet. And personally,no,if I'm in the hand that you put forward,AA vs. AA,and the opp hits a 4-flush then I'm not elated about getting sick coolered,but I'm not going to whine about a bad beat. Unless I'm prepared to gripe about someone winning for making the SAME EXACT DECISION that I did,trying to get the other guy to put all his chips in against my nuts. This mind set is holding you back and will continue to do so as long as you have it. I speak from experience,been there,done that.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Moxie Pip View Post
                Well sure as Hell they don't know YOUR definition of one.

                You seriously need to get past this obsession,it's POKER,period.

                Had the money gone in on the flop or turn,then yeah,THAT would be a bad beat. As sick a run out as this was,given the stack sizes,no one,as Joe and John already said,put a wrong foot forward here.

                And you use the "it was a hyper-turbo" to justify your position? You're kidding,right? Just the very nature of hypers (almost all action is push/fold pre-flop...little or no post flop play due to lack of depth) guarantees that beats like this will be much,much more prevalent. Worrying about sick beats and wild variance swings whilst playing hypers is akin to being a competitive swimmer and worrying about getting wet.

                And personally,no,if I'm in the hand that you put forward,AA vs. AA,and the opp hits a 4-flush then I'm not elated about getting sick coolered,but I'm not going to whine about a bad beat. Unless I'm prepared to gripe about someone winning for making the SAME EXACT DECISION that I did,trying to get the other guy to put all his chips in against my nuts.

                This mind set is holding you back and will continue to do so as long as you have it. I speak from experience,been there,done that.
                No its not MY definition its the POKER worlds definition. I dont know what PSO is feeding to you guys but you need to wake up, yes bad beats are apart of the game and you must accept it but lmao its pretty easy to see one.

                Those two hands hands I just showed especially the AA vs AA had the entire twitter and poker forums community in awe, but here its nothing right? Just another hand no such thing as a bad beat in your minds compared to pokerpros, announcers, all team online who witnessed this hand said its a bad beat not just because of the money involved but because if you knew your math you would have to ask this. How often will you get delt AA vs AA and get it allin and lose on the river to a flush vs another AA? Those numbers are incredibly low thus the reaction in both situation i mentioned justifies a bad beat. Skip to 18:50 and watch the hand and if you still think its not a bad beat at all then most people here including you are just ignorant no offense

                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtArFbl_R2Y

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                • #9
                  Unfortunately, bad beat and cooler are too often used interchangeably, enabled by "bad beat" jackpots that are actually "cooler" jackpots. Linguistically speaking bad beats, when a very -EV play when the bulk of the money went in hits, are a subset of coolers. The criteria for each are also somewhat fluid.

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                  • #10
                    I also suggest you peruse the 2+2 forum for more discussion about the difference. PSO is not unique in making the distinction.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by TrumpinJoe View Post
                      Unfortunately, bad beat and cooler are too often used interchangeably, enabled by "bad beat" jackpots that are actually "cooler" jackpots. Linguistically speaking bad beats, when a very -EV play when the bulk of the money went in hits, are a subset of coolers. The criteria for each are also somewhat fluid.
                      Originally posted by TrumpinJoe View Post
                      I also suggest you peruse the 2+2 forum for more discussion about the difference. PSO is not unique in making the distinction.

                      Well said Joe.

                      Me,I'm done,he can have at it and have fun seeing bad beats under the bed and around every corner. I don't much take offense at being called ignorant,but I'm also done trying to help someone who does so.

                      Had to LOL at this being my view on bad beats because of what PSO feeds us,yeah 30 years playing all sorts of poker variants didn't do diddly squat to inform my opinion.

                      Time to pull out an old PSO relic,since PSO was also dumped on here...


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                      • #12
                        pre flop nope, not a bad beat,

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                        • #13
                          Sure any hand that goes in preflop is not a bad beat by your definition right? Yet http://www.pokerschoolonline.com/for...-as-a-bad-beat In the above hand the guy had a better shot at winning both cause he got 10 cards to get his 2 outs on two tries. Now what are the odds of that compared to my first post on the guy getting runner runner kings to win. Like I said most people here dont know the definition but to each their own.... might aswell delete the bad beat section umbup:

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                          • #14
                            That AA vs AA and river a flush has happened to me twice, once in my favour and once against.
                            Although, the one I won was on the turn not the river.

                            I have seen it also happen to other people on tables I have been at.

                            It is not that uncommon at all.
                            3 Time Bracelet Winner


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                            • #15
                              I've found lots of "Bad Beat" definitions on the web, but they're all different:

                              PSO Glossary: A bad beat is When you lose a hand despite having been the clear favorite when the money went into the middle.

                              Read more: Glossary – Poker School Online: Learn Poker Strategy, Odds and Tells http://www.pokerschoolonline.com/art...#ixzz2mLf2bodR

                              Wikipedia: In poker, bad beat is a subjective term for a hand in which a player with what appear to be strong cards nevertheless loses. It most often occurs where one player bets the clearly stronger hand and their opponent makes a poor call that eventually "hits" and wins. There is no consensus among poker players as to what exactly constitutes a bad beat and often players will disagree about whether a particular hand was a bad beat.

                              Urban dictionary: Poker phrase about an improbable loss on a hand of cards. Means that you started the hand way ahead but got outdrawn, thus you suffered a bad beat.

                              Plus many more...

                              I added the hi-lite to Wiki, but I think it helps explain why no group of players seem to agree about what exactly qualifies as a bad beat. It's a term that has evolved over time, and has never been precisely defined, and probably never will. Based on the Wiki definition, the hand you posted doesn't qualify because there was no "poor play". Based on the PSO and Urban Dictionary definition, it does qualify, since the AA hand is a clear favorite when the money went into the pot.

                              Bottom line, it doesn't really matter how you get beat, as long as your decisions were correct along the way. The percentages will work out in the long run, and those correct decisions will result in wins.

                              Bracelet Winner


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