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  • My bad beat of a lifetime

    Here's the situation:final table 2nd or 3rd in chips,top 3 get packages to play poker in an Eureka side event (my dream to play an live event)+there was an amazing moeney at stake first place almost 800 euros.Then this hand happened and my dreams crushed...

    http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-h...539_DFC8660B6C

    Right after that just when i thought it's not all over yet this happened:
    http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-h...627_47871C0C71

    It's seems that my dream will never come true...i played this satelite last week to on the bubble i was 2nd in chips and got it allin preflop with KK against chipleader with A8off and lost ofc...i didn't even cash then

    And now someone tell me how to motivate myself to play my A game again
    Bracelet Winner

  • #2
    The first one is not a bad beat. You put the money in when you were behind.

    I know what you mean though about shrugging off bad beats, a walk a different activity will help. I went and shoveled the deck after going out in 8th in the Horse today after a few dubious plays by me, but relised
    a) I did well to get to the final table
    and b) if i was in that situation again I would play it that way. I was 7th of 8 and next pay jump was not till 4th

    I could blind out waiting or try to move up. I feel going over the tourny some spots i played poorly but overall i played well and made good decisions, yes i had my share of luck and bad as well as good.

    so it comes down to are you making the right decisions? if yes keep on playing if no then your in the right place to help you learn more, i sure know i am...



    Grade b
    I am always ready to learn although I do not always like being taught. ~Winston Churchill

    13 Time Bracelet Winner


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    • #3
      Originally posted by strahilius View Post
      It's seems that my dream will never come true...i played this satelite last week to on the bubble i was 2nd in chips and got it allin preflop with KK against chipleader with A8off and lost ofc...i didn't even cash then
      If this is a satty where everyone gets the same ticket, why did you play against the only stack that could take you out. It is +EV to fold AA in such a spot.

      Good decisions.

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      • #4
        Hey Strahilius ...

        To answer your question from the other thread ... there was a long awkward silence after I hit that three-outer or whatever, but I guess whatever isn't said out loud doesn't offcially count, eh? lol




        Anyways ... having to deal with late-game beats was actually one of the reasons I moved to cash ... I mean like the downswings at the cash table are just as bad, but at least you can sit down and get up whenever you feel like it.

        But I guess that's not quite the same. There was a blog in the blog section about a situation that was though - don't know if you saw Paul7036's WBCOOP entry, but maybe sometimes it's nice hear similar stories from people who have been in our shoes?

        http://www.pokerschoolonline.com/blogs/post/?id=41698


        His challenge thread is here in case you wanted to see that too:

        http://www.pokerschoolonline.com/for...8time-vault%29


        PS Man, that was a long silence ... <awkward> lol!!

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        • #5
          It was a 22 euros tournament with regular pay structure and on top on the money the first 3 spots get packages for eureka poker tour.
          I know u put my money in behind but i don't think you will find anyone that will fold in that situation especaily beacuse that opponent was very aggressive
          Bracelet Winner

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          • #6
            funny thing is that the guy that took almost all my chips in that KK-AA hand didn't get a package despite the huge chip advantage he finished 4th winning "just" 320.25 euros
            Bracelet Winner

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            • #7
              Originally posted by strahilius View Post
              i don't think you will find anyone that will fold in that situation especaily beacuse that opponent was very aggressive
              I'm sorry, strahilius, but I'm going to have to disagree with you and agree with TrumpinJoe. You want to protect your chips (and your dreams) at this point and playing big pots against big stacks can be a nightmare. You should have been trying to play against the shorter stacks. You also have to remember that pocket aces at the end of the day is just the highest ranking pair. I believe the average hand that is a showdown winner is 2 pair. I'm curious, what did you think the villain had? You say he was aggressive but you realize good players play aggressively, right? If you thought he was a bad player, I try to remind myself that bad players get good cards sometimes too. I hope you don't get discouraged by this because you will often find yourself thinking you're ahead but end up losing no matter how well you play. As in life, it's important to understand where you went wrong and how to correct it to prevent it from happening again. Don't focus on the end result but the decisions that got you there. Good luck! iggyo umbup:
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              • #8
                Okay here's my explanation:He raised UTG,because he was aggressive i puted him od QJs KJs KQoff+ and 55+.I knew that if i raised allin there he would have folded everything except QQ KK and maybe AKs,but i wanted him in the pot because for sure he had a worse hand than me.Also by calling i could have been shoved on by the BB with A-10off+ and some pockets pair leading the UTG raiser to either put himself allin to isolate or to fold.
                Afterflop:On that K 10 2 board there were few hand that had me beat according to his range:pocket tens and pocket kings,but those were highly unlikely because it's a two-outer.I went allin immidiately after his continuation bet because there were some flush and str8 posibilities and i could have been called from top pair or even QQ JJ if he thought i was on a draw.I never put him on K-10 or pocket deuces there.
                I made this play so i can get max value and go for the win as i always do and i don't think you may prove me wrong .
                Anyway it is a bad beat because seeing the cards the money are going in the middle either preflop or postflop,if someone folds aces there it's a minus Ev play for sure
                Bracelet Winner

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                • #9
                  On the Turn he is putting in nearly 1/4 of his stack so you need to pause and consider what he might do that with.

                  KK TT Can't rule them even if each is a 2 outer that's 4 outs 3 times for the flop don't forget.

                  What else might he do this with Combo draw to a straight and the flush.

                  Put these into Poverstove and they are a slight favorite on that range. Now could i fold aces here Probably not but that's a weakness in my game. if the goal is the ticket I need to be awire of my odds of winning the hand here with one pair. (didn't even consider the steal with suited KT)

                  Grade b
                  I am always ready to learn although I do not always like being taught. ~Winston Churchill

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                  • #10
                    Well that bet might be a set,top pair hand looking for a shove from lower pair and induce bluff and ofc a bluff itself and not risking much chips in doing it.
                    I really think any player can't fold this can't believe you are saying that
                    Bracelet Winner

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by strahilius View Post
                      Well that bet might be a set,top pair hand looking for a shove from lower pair and induce bluff and ofc a bluff itself and not risking much chips in doing it.
                      I really think any player can't fold this can't believe you are saying that

                      i Know i cant fold this hand but I'm sure more experienced sattilite players could.

                      throw it up in the hand analysis forum and ask?


                      Grade b
                      I am always ready to learn although I do not always like being taught. ~Winston Churchill

                      13 Time Bracelet Winner


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                      • #12
                        you were reading carefully it was a normal pay structure those eureka packages were just added so it was worth playing for first.I coudn't just fold my way into the top 3 had to play some poker.These guys were all very aggresive so i coudnt open a lot of pots so tell my if i fold AA what hand should a play
                        Bracelet Winner

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by strahilius View Post
                          you were reading carefully it was a normal pay structure those eureka packages were just added so it was worth playing for first.I coudn't just fold my way into the top 3 had to play some poker.These guys were all very aggresive so i coudnt open a lot of pots so tell my if i fold AA what hand should a play

                          Thats too easy...

                          A winning one.

                          seriously its only 1 pair you can not fold a pair?
                          Last edited by Grade b; Tue Mar 12, 2013, 02:35 AM.
                          I am always ready to learn although I do not always like being taught. ~Winston Churchill

                          13 Time Bracelet Winner


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                          • #14


                            There's the pay structure.Now about the hand:Yes im third in chips but i still need to double up once more to make it in top 3.This hand was perfect except he got a set obviously.So you are telling me that you would called there for set mining and you would always fold if your hand isn't the nuts??You must be folding a lot of pocket aces lol...
                            Bracelet Winner

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by strahilius View Post
                              ... It's seems that my dream will never come true...i played this satelite last week to on the bubble i was 2nd in chips and got it allin preflop with KK against chipleader with A8off and lost ofc...i didn't even cash then ...
                              Originally posted by TrumpinJoe View Post
                              If this is a satty where everyone gets the same ticket, why did you play against the only stack that could take you out. It is +EV to fold AA in such a spot.

                              Good decisions.
                              My reference was to a satty with a flat payout. Depending on the value of the package, the top three may fit that criteria. In that case the bubble is actually 4th.

                              With a large but not dominating stack I am only going up against big stacks when I am likely to be way ahead, especially if they like to play sheriff (i.e., little fold equity). Unless the money is shallow, less than 20-25 big blinds, I try to avoid all-in pre-flop against one that can eliminate or damage me.

                              With out knowing the stack sizes and styles of the players I can't say what I would have done.

                              However, if this is the bubble and I am 2nd stack and there are short stacks at the table I am trying to only play against them.

                              Good decisions.

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