ok i could have waited and learned a bit more but i just couldn help myself..i went and got 1 of them cards and put 20 quid on it and i'm off like a racing horse out of the gates!.straight into sit and goes and a hole new world and way of playn as far as i can see tight players and good bluffers lol :wink: but hey i havin bust my little bankrole all ready i'll warm myself up and get the hang of it first before i commit 2 bigger buy ins 10's and 25 50 and 1's will do till we see how my game is coming on anyway wish me luk guys and the same 2 any 1 reading l8r's and i'll keep ya posted :-P